Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

[Dan From Smithville]

Good morning IndigoChild5559.

My argument is that the theory of evolution is bad science.

This isn't your argument. It is your claim. And I see nothing that you have posted that supports the claim.

That people have used a scientific theory to promote a false narrative that some groups of people are inferior humans does not demonstrate that the theory is bad. It demonstrates that those people are grasping at any reason to support racism.

You could argue that people are acting badly by using hammers to beat on other people, but that doesn't make hammers inherently flawed. It only shows the flaws of those that use them for selfish, malignant purpose.

Ultimately, your claim and the narrative that follows it are a poorly constructed and fallacious attack on something you don't really seem to understand. My conclusion is that your rejection is based solely on the conflict of the science with your personal interpretation of scripture. It has nothing to do with any valid dissection and assessment of the theory and the evidence it explains. That would be an example of the poor reasoning you keep claiming to be here to thwart.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This isn't your argument. It is your claim. And I see nothing that you have posted that supports the claim.

That people have used a scientific theory to promote a false narrative that some groups of people are inferior humans does not demonstrate that the theory is bad. It demonstrates that those people are grasping at any reason to support racism.

You could argue that people are acting badly by using hammers to beat on other people, but that doesn't make hammers inherently flawed. It only shows the flaws of those that use them for selfish, malignant purpose.

Ultimately, your claim and the narrative that follows it are a poorly constructed and fallacious attack on something you don't really seem to understand. My conclusion is that your rejection is based solely on the conflict of the science with your personal interpretation of scripture. It has nothing to do with any valid dissection and assessment of the theory and the evidence it explains. That would be an example of the poor reasoning you keep claiming to be here to thwart.

One only has to look at the history of eugenics and of evolution to see that different people were involved. Yes, there was a "Darwin" in the eugenics movement. It was some sort of cousin or something to Charles Darwin. The last time I checked scientific knowledge was not transmitted via lines of relationship.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

One only has to look at the history of eugenics and of evolution to see that different people were involved. Yes, there was a "Darwin" in the eugenics movement. It was some sort of cousin or something to Charles Darwin. The last time I checked scientific knowledge was not transmitted via lines of relationship.

Another example of people behaving badly and absconding with knowledge to further their own misguided purposes and not from some inherent quality of the knowledge or the science used to acquire the knowledge.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

One only has to look at the history of eugenics and of evolution to see that different people were involved. Yes, there was a "Darwin" in the eugenics movement. It was some sort of cousin or something to Charles Darwin. The last time I checked scientific knowledge was not transmitted via lines of relationship.

It is interesting how many times people have used the Bible or other holy books to come up with twisted views supporting their own prejudices, but you don't see literalists condemning the Bible for that.

 

[YoursTrue]

You should be specific , since that is Young - Creationist idea.
Christianity contains a wide range of different people with different understanding about existence.

Yes, that is true as to the way many would see Christianity. And when presented with evidence, such as age estimates of rock formation, I can say that each "day" of creation was not 24 hours each. The word day there would be explained in the sense of being a period of time. Followed by another set of activities in a period of time.

 

[YoursTrue]

Good morning IndigoChild5559.

My argument is that the theory of evolution is bad science.

Hello, Messianic Israelite. The theory of evolution is considered proper science and true by many. I no longer see it that way, but that is because I firmly believe now there is a grand designer. I did not always believe that way, but have come to that conclusion. Just to be clear, that does not mean I think God causes deformities. Do I think that God created me personally? No. I am a product of two parents. I don't call that evolution, but the natural process of generation. But I do now believe that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Take care.

 

[Pogo]

Yes, that is true as to the way many would see Christianity. And when presented with evidence, such as age estimates of rock formation, I can say that each "day" of creation was not 24 hours each. The word day there would be explained in the sense of being a period of time. Followed by another set of activities in a period of time.

Well it is a start.

 

[Dimi95]

Yes, that is true as to the way many would see Christianity. And when presented with evidence, such as age estimates of rock formation

So where is the evidence?

, I can say that each "day" of creation was not 24 hours each.

Well it is exactly 23 hours , 56 minutes and 4 seconds

That is the time Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis.

Usually, the Earth's rotation is actually slowing down so that the length of the day increases by about 1.8 milliseconds per century, on average.

When Earth first formed some 4.5 billion years ago, it spun much faster than it does today. Back then, an Earth day was approximately 10 hours.This means that 600 million years ago a day lasted only 21 hours.

So on a scale of 4.5 bilion years , it is just half a day or nearly 12 hours.This is simple math.

The word day there would be explained in the sense of being a period of time. Followed by another set of activities in a period of time.

And that is what Science does,Precise answers to these kind of questions.

Science deals with factual Reality and evidence , you seem to forget that somehow.

I am sure by your answers that you don't see how compatible is Evolution.

What needs to be answered to satisfy your criteria?

 

[YoursTrue]

So where is the evidence?


Well it is exactly 23 hours , 56 minutes and 4 seconds

That is the time Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis.

OK, so you are saying that each day of creation is a 24-hour day minus several seconds...OK. Maybe later I'll go into why that is not so.

 

[YoursTrue]

So where is the evidence?
Well it is exactly 23 hours , 56 minutes and 4 seconds
That is the time Earth makes one complete rotation on its axis.
Science deals with factual Reality and evidence , you seem to forget that somehow.

Also, Moses was not alive when the earth was made with its living matter. Yet I think he knew extraordinary things about the conception of the universe and the earth.

 

[Dimi95]

OK, so you are saying that each day of creation is a 24-hour day minus several seconds...OK. Maybe later I'll go into why that is not so.

That was not my point but let us see what you have to say.

 

[Dimi95]

Also, Moses was not alive when the earth was made with its living matter. Yet I think he knew extraordinary things about the conception of the universe and the earth.

Extraordinary things ? Can you show me where he demonstrates that?

 

[YoursTrue]

That was not my point but let us see what you have to say.

What do you mean that was not your point? Are you saying that each day of creation was or was not 24 hours?

 

[McBell]

That was not my point but let us see what you have to say.

heads up, you just ruined his multipage sermon on that particular topic....

 

[Dimi95]

What do you mean that was not your point? Are you saying that each day of creation was or was not 24 hours?

The point is that the measurement of one day depends on the rotaion of Earth on its axis.

Around every 25–30 years Earth's rotation slows temporarily by a few milliseconds per day, usually lasting around five years.

Is slowing because of Friction effects associated with the tides driven by the Moon. That process adds about about 2.3 milliseconds to the length of each day every century.

 

[YoursTrue]

Extraordinary things ? Can you show me where he demonstrates that?

We're talking about Moses and his concept of creation.

 

[Dimi95]

We're talking about Moses and his concept of creation.

But i am talking about Science and the concept of existence which is totally different from what you want to discuss.

 

[YoursTrue]

The point is that the measurement of one day depends on the rotaion of Earth on its axis.

Not necessarily. But again, I would need to look at all the instances in the Bible using the word day and see how they are applied. Offhand, I recall the expression "it's a new day!" and that doesn't have to mean the next 24-hour period, but can mean a different type era.

 

[YoursTrue]

But i am talking about Science and the concept of existence which is totally different from what you want to discuss.

OK. So in reference to the word day we are not talking about the same thing, is that what you mean?

 

[shunyadragon]

Of course you're not speaking to me and I understand that, but you need to back up your assertions with facts.

The facts are the documented sciences of evolution supported by over 150 years of research and discoveries supporting natural evolution.