Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

[Dan From Smithville]

I don't think that anyone is arguing that Hawaiian people are evolutionarily inferior to English people, are they? Can I ask where you got that impression? Who said they were?

I can't see how anyone can argue that a Neanderthal looks like a typical native Hawaiian. That seems sort of demeaning to both.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Anyone who understands evolution understands that Hawaiian people aren't evolutionary inferior to English people.
Anyone who understands evolution knows that one "race" of human isn't more or less evolved than any other "race" of human.

Anyone that bothered to learn what the characteristics of Neanderthal man were wouldn't waste their time at such a transparent attempt to brand science as racism.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No.

I agree. It is nonsense. Which seems like desperation to find anything that will stick to the wall.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't see how anyone can argue that a Neanderthal looks like a typical native Hawaiian. That seems sort of demeaning to both.

It would be interesting if Neanderthals had survived to today what their opinion would be of Homo sapiens. Through their eyes we would be the weird ones with huge bulbous foreheads.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It would be interesting if Neanderthals had survived to today what their opinion would be of Homo sapiens. Through their eyes we would be the weird ones with huge bulbous foreheads.

It is an interesting thought. Some Homo sapiens seem to like to find scapegoats and those to look down on to make themselves feel better. Whether it is physical appearance, education or religious preference.

I don't know if either species would mix that well.

I looked at picture after picture of native Hawaiians and I couldn't find one that looked like that Neanderthal.

 

[Soandso]

Follow the dialog.

I'd rather you just tell me directly. Who suggested Hawaiians look like neanderthals?

 

[Pogo]

It would be interesting if Neanderthals had survived to today what their opinion would be of Homo sapiens. Through their eyes we would be the weird ones with huge bulbous foreheads.

Stereotypical Jock vs Stereotypical Nerd.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'd rather you just tell me directly. Who suggested Hawaiians look like neanderthals?

Perhaps the only racist person posting here? I remember something about the OP thinking that evolution implies that Europeans evolved from other apes than black people did. That is quite the opposite of what the theory tells us. White people were just people that left Africa and needed more vitamin D in northern climates. Nothing about different apes. In other words, and this drives many creationists nuts, Instead of the darker Africans arising from the children of Ham, you know, the one that Noah cursed. White people arose from black people.

 

[Viker]

White people arose from black people.

This is still a most terrifying thing for a large portion of the white conservative reactionary base. That we are not only related but basically the exact same species.

Race is another social construct easily confuted.

 

[YoursTrue]

You do realize that common ancestor was single-celled, right? So some cells acquired the organelles for photosynthesis and others did not. They then evolved apart.

Yes, some mutations *from single celled ancestors* eventually lead to animals and others eventually lead to plants. The time between the single celled ancestors and multicellular animals or plants was quite long.

And you believe this all happened (from the beginning onward) by the process of natural selection, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, that is what evolution is.

Just to reiterate, you believe that after the "start" of life, it all happened by "natural selection," right?

 

[YoursTrue]

You do realize that common ancestor was single-celled, right? So some cells acquired the organelles for photosynthesis and others did not. They then evolved apart.

Yes, some mutations *from single celled ancestors* eventually lead to animals and others eventually lead to plants. The time between the single celled ancestors and multicellular animals or plants was quite long.

You know this about cells acquiring organelles for photosynthesis because ??

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is still a most terrifying thing for a large portion of the white conservative reactionary base. That we are not only related but basically the exact same species.

Race is another social construct easily confuted.

It reminds me of an old clip from The Atheist Experience where someone called in and thought that evolution said that black and white people evolved from "different monkeys". Wear at least two pair of oven mitts if you ever hear that in of their replays of classic clips. You will need them.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So ... after looking at that illustrative drawing, it seems that the evolutionary doctrine about humans is indeed racist at its core.

Huh?

How on earth did you conclude that from the post you are replying to?
Do you even know what the word "racist" means? It sounds like you don't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So, I was right: the evolutionary doctrine is a racist doctrine.

No.

If you see the figure in the post#328 you can see a modern typical Hawaiian next to a typical Englishman.

No.

Is any of them more evolutionarily advanced than the other?

No.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Anyone can see in the post#328 that a modern Hawaiian person is not considered a "modern human" because of their racial details.

See the figure, points and classifications and judge for yourself.

1. "modern" in the evolutionary biological sense. Not in the "superior" / "inferior" sense.

2. no, hawaiian people are not neanderthals

 

[AdamjEdgar]

In other words, and this drives many creationists nuts, Instead of the darker Africans arising from the children of Ham, you know, the one that Noah cursed. White people arose from black people.

Not all Christians believe that, i suppose its possible that the mark of Cain was skin colour. It unfortunately seems that racism appears to be centred around the idea that white is the superior race. I know that the idea of survival of the fittest is claimed by YEC to be a driving force for racism, however, one could also use the argument that the mark of Cain is a driver of racism too...so i don't think either side of the debate are innocent here.

BTW, have we any evidence where black and white children arise from the same parents where both parents are same colour?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

BTW, have we any evidence where black and white children arise from the same parents where both parents are same colour?

What a strange question to ask. Why do you ask this?

 

[AdamjEdgar]

What a strange question to ask. Why do you ask this?

because it is of interest to me.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

because it is of interest to me.

It sounds like the question is loaded up with some type of assumption about how white folks from europe descended from black folks from africa.