Is the God of Islam the same God of Christianity?

[Desert Snake]

They're not all metaphors. Judaism grew out of Canaanite polytheism. Yahweh was originally a Canaanite war deity. With Christianity, you have some Greek philosophy and religious views thrown in and with Islam, you have Arab polytheism thrown in the mix.

I need some examples here, sorry, I've never read convincing arguments for this,, granted that doesn't mean you're wrong.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I need some examples here, sorry, I've never read convincing arguments for this,, granted that doesn't mean you're wrong.

Examples of what? That Judaism grew out of Canaanite polytheism?

Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Desert Snake]

Examples of what? That Judaism grew out of Canaanite polytheism?

I'm not convinced. But I'm not sure this is the thread to discuss this anyway,.. I'd like to get some Hebrew readers input on this subject as well.
(not implying you don't read Hebrew)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not convinced. But I'm not sure this is the thread to discuss this anyway,.. I'd like to get some Hebrew readers input on this subject as well.
(not implying you don't read Hebrew)

Not convinced about what? I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. What, did you think that the Abrahamic religions just formed in a vacuum? They didn't. Noah, Abraham and Moses are just mythological characters that were borrowed from earlier Semitic myths. The early Hebrews were just Canaanites that later split off and adopted the war god, Yahweh, as their national deity. Yahweh used to have a female consort, Asherah, as well.

God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible -- Almost : Discovery News
Hebrew Henotheism
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[Desert Snake]

Not convinced about what? I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. What, did you think that the Abrahamic religions just formed in a vacuum? They didn't. Noah, Abraham and Moses are just mythological characters that were borrowed from earlier Semitic myths. The early Hebrews were just Canaanites that later split off and adopted the war god, Yahweh, as their national deity. Yahweh used to have a female consort, Asherah, as well.

I can start a new thread, I recall discussing this with some other members before, and there was some fuzzy logic concerning Hebrew "henotheism'.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I can start a new thread, I recall discussing this with some other members before, and there was some fuzzy logic concerning Hebrew "henotheism'.

Go ahead. It's an interesting topic, for sure.

 

[Desert Snake]

Go ahead. It's an interesting topic, for sure.

O.k., new thread started, it's in an open forum so anyone can contribute.

 

[Muffled]

The Quraan is in Arabic and Jesus is called Eisa in Arabic and Eisa is recognized by Muslims and the Quraan. Therefore Jesus is recognized by Muslims and the Quraan!

Same thing with different names of the God in different languages used on different books!

The name only is not the real thing, but the reference!

I call Allah God when I speak English, and type/write it with capital G. This does not mean I do not recognize the name Allah!

Sorry for the extended explanation!

I beleive Muslims do not recognize that jesus is God in the flesh which seems to me akin to those who can't recognize Allah is Jehovah. I believe in order to recognize God one must know Him.

 

[Muffled]

What about if they are active, converted (not raised in the faith) and ardently believe? How can they still be "cultural Christians"?

I believe you must provide more details pertaining to activity, conversion and belief. Even the devil believes in Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

The God of Islam seems much more cold, callous and distant than the God of Christianity, Who is loving, compassionate and always with us.

I believe the God of the OT fits that description as well if one ignores a few verses among the preponderance of alternate verses which may be happening in ones view of the Qu'ran as well.

 

[Godobeyer]

I beleive Muslims do not recognize that jesus is God in the flesh which seems to me akin to those who can't recognize Allah is Jehovah. I believe in order to recognize God one must know Him.

It's too easy to understand brother .
God Allah Jehovah ...etc ....are different labells for almost same concept of Creator , the Lord of everything


is there a verse in the NT said : who don't believe in Jesus is God , is sinner and may disbeliever ?

 

[Pegg]

EXCEPT, of course, that even "Jehovah" is a mistranslation or alteration of the original "Yahweh."

As well as the fact that Jewish scripture is hardly the ONLY scriptural source of guidance around!


Bruce

Jehovah God gave only one nation his written laws and his prophets.

Any scriptures besides these do not come from Jehovah but from the many various 'gods' of this world.

To get to know the Creator and Father of us all, you need to learn from him through the writings given by him. Thats just plain logic.

 

[rusra02]

It's too easy to understand brother .
God Allah Jehovah ...etc ....are different labells for almost same concept of Creator , the Lord of everything


is there a verse in the NT said : who don't believe in Jesus is God , is sinner and may disbeliever ?

No, I believe the Bible does not teach that Jesus is Almighty God. Here is what the Bible does say about God and his son; "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and Jesus himself said "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3) Jesus worshipped Jehovah, and so must me, IMO.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Jehovah God gave only one nation his written laws and his prophets.

Any scriptures besides these do not come from Jehovah but from the many various 'gods' of this world.

Only in your not-overly-humble opinion.

(And yes, I know this is a favorite doctrine of Jehovah Witnesses, as is the obsession you reflect of insisting on that specific terminology only.)

But meaning no offense, IOV there IS only One God, known by many different names in the various languages and cultures, and ALL the great religions spring from Him! So there are really no other "gods" worth noting.

Nor did He give "only one nation" His laws and prophets. Indeed, the scriptures I endeavor to follow state that ALL nations have been blessed by God's Divine Revelations at some point in the past, in a process that will never end even in the future!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Pegg]

Only in your not-overly-humble opinion.

(And yes, I know this is a favorite doctrine of Jehovah Witnesses, as is the obsession you reflect of insisting on that specific terminology only.)

But meaning no offense, IOV there IS only One God, known by many different names in the various languages and cultures, and ALL the great religions spring from Him! So there are really no other "gods" worth noting.

Nor did He give "only one nation" His laws and prophets. Indeed, the scriptures I endeavor to follow state that ALL nations have been blessed by God's Divine Revelations at some point in the past, in a process that will never end even in the future!

Peace,

Bruce

If those teachings were all of the same standard and promoted the same beliefs, i could agree with you.

But the fact is that the various scriptures in the world do not all reflect the same beliefs about God. They tell different stories about who he is and what he wants.

There are many different types of trees in the world, they are all trees, but the trees dont all produce the same flowers or fruits. Some trees produce apples, others pears and some dont produce fruits at all. Just because they are trees doesnt mean they all sprang from the same seed, does it?


The only explanation for this is that they stem from different seeds or origins.

 

[BruceDLimber]

If those teachings were all of the same standard and promoted the same beliefs, i could agree with you.

But the fact is that the various scriptures in the world do not all reflect the same beliefs. . . .

Not a problem.

I quote the Baha'i scriptures:

"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."

—(Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)


Peace,

Bruce

 

[idav]

Jehovah God gave only one nation his written laws and his prophets.

Any scriptures besides these do not come from Jehovah but from the many various 'gods' of this world.

To get to know the Creator and Father of us all, you need to learn from him through the writings given by him. Thats just plain logic.

What name are they giving God based on the bible that JW's use as well. How would they get a different name from the same hebrew? What is the name of Allah or is it just a title? The similarity is the claim, they all claim to be worshiping the god of abraham jacob and isaac. Everyone has stuff wrong about said god but that doesn't mean they worship something different, it could mean that but it could just be mistaken about details, like most religions obviously are.

 

[metis]

The only explanation for this is that they stem from different seeds or origins.

Not necessarily. Differences can also be possibly explained in terms of time and distance. All current dogs evolved from wolves, and yet look at the difference between them today.

 

[Muffled]

It's too easy to understand brother .
God Allah Jehovah ...etc ....are different labells for almost same concept of Creator , the Lord of everything


is there a verse in the NT said : who don't believe in Jesus is God , is sinner and may disbeliever ?

No but there is the postive statement as opposed to the negative statement.

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: believe in God, believe also in me.

 

[Muffled]

No, I believe the Bible does not teach that Jesus is Almighty God. Here is what the Bible does say about God and his son; "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. But whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and Jesus himself said "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3) Jesus worshipped Jehovah, and so must me, IMO.

I believe these two statements to be contradictory.

Php 3:3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: