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Is the God of the Bible a Saddist?

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TriDaan

New Member
JustWondering said:
Before Adam and Eve were kicked to the curb (kicked out of Eden)
Genesis 3:24 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
According to the Bible you are mistaken.
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Genesis 2:16-17:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Adam and Eve died spiritually that day and their physical death was begun. God never told them they could not eat of The Tree of Life, and it is definitely possible that they had. However God threw them out of the garden, cutting off their access to the tree so that the consequence of their sin could take place.
 
DarkMaster24

DarkMaster24

Active Member
I agree with the poster of this thread-if god were omnipresent/omnipotent and doesn't do a thing to alleviate all the worldwide suffering and instead creates things like mentall illness, malaria, smallpox, and other such diseases, allows atrociiously horrible things like the holocaust and Spanish Inquisition to happen, yet never intervenes for the sake of humanity and still claims to be "all-loving"? There's a devestating contradiction right there that leaves most Christians dumbfounded and speachless when you bring it up to them.

If god were all loving than he wouldn't need to create a punitive place like hell as a way of coerceing people into believing him. Instead, god would accept us for just us and wouldn't subject anyone to that kind of sick torture. No one desserves to go to hell. And if god were truley all loving he never would of destroyed the entire world just because they didn't meet his unrealistic expectations. I mean, no loving creator would destroy his so-called children just because we're not perfect, but god did and that shows that the biblical god is nothing but a despotic totalitariast, one that should be hated, not venerated and worshipped.

We should be relieved he doesn't exist.
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
TriDaan said:
Genesis 2:16-17:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Adam and Eve died spiritually that day and their physical death was begun. God never told them they could not eat of The Tree of Life, and it is definitely possible that they had. However God threw them out of the garden, cutting off their access to the tree so that the consequence of their sin could take place.
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Adam and Eve did not die the day they ate the forbidden fruit. I Guess that makes the Christian God a liar. Also, I will not recognize your "spiritual death" argument unless you can back it up with a clear reference to "spiritual death" from the OT. The verse you mention clearly states they would die that day. That's it, just die. Nothing is mentioned about a spirit, soul or any other nonsense. This "spiritual death" was created by Christians to defend their belief system.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
JustWondering said:
I apologize. I should have mentioned in my OP that I am refering to the God of the Christian Bible. The God of the Bible created everything (according to the Bible anyway). Which means that God created living things to experience pain and suffering. God created living things to slowly age, wither and die. What possible purpose does it serve to make us suffer? Is the reason we were made to suffer is because God is a saddist? If Humans are sinners thats because thats the way God made us to be. It is like God hating the color green and then creating people with green skin and then punishing them for it. The only rational reason I can come up with to explain God's behavior is that he is a saddist.
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In a way you have a point, a supposed god cannot be all powerful , all knowing, and benevolent, and create such a world of immense suffering.
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
To sum up the debate on this thread so far:

Two Christians tried to explain all the misery in this world and hell by comparing God to a parent teaching their child a lesson. This argument did not survive long.

Another person said God was misunderstood, they did not explain their statement.

Two Christians then threw the "we reap what we sow" arguement into the ring. However, that did not explain why infants suffer horrible deaths. This arguement also did not survive long.

A Christian claimed God does not derive pleasure from punishing the wicked but did not provide biblical support for their claim.

An individual refutted hell existed but did not provide biblical support of their claim.

Five non-Christians described God (as described in the Bible) as saddistic, petty and a tyrant.

So far Christians have been unable to supply a convincing arguement that their God is not a saddist.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
JustWondering said:
A Christian claimed God does not derive pleasure from punishing the wicked but did not provide biblical support for their claim.
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I do not know why they haven't...
I am not a Christian, but I am pretty sure that this is the verse they mean:
Ezekiel 33:11

(ASV)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(BBE)
Say to them, By my life, says the Lord, I have no pleasure in the death of the evil-doer; it is more pleasing to me if he is turned from his way and has life: be turned, be turned from your evil ways; why are you looking for death, O children of Israel?

(Bishops)
Tell them, as truely as I liue saith the Lorde God, I haue no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but much rather that the wicked tourne from his way, and lyue: Turne you, turne you from your wicked wayes, for why wil ye dye O ye of the house of Israel?

(CEV)
Tell them that as surely as I am the living LORD God, I don't like to see wicked people die. I enjoy seeing them turn from their sins and live. So if the Israelites want to live, they must stop sinning and turn back to me.

(Darby)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(DRB)
Say to them: As I live, saith the Lord God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way, and live. Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways: and why will you die, O house of Israel?

(ESV)
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

(Geneva)
Say vnto them, As I liue, sayeth the Lorde God, I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turne from his way & liue: turne you, turne you from your euill waies, for why will ye die, O ye house of Israel?

(GNB)
Tell them that as surely as I, the Sovereign LORD, am the living God, I do not enjoy seeing sinners die. I would rather see them stop sinning and live. Israel, stop the evil you are doing. Why do you want to die?

(GW)
"Tell them, 'As I live, declares the Almighty LORD, I don't want wicked people to die. Rather, I want them to turn from their ways and live. Change the way you think and act! Turn from your wicked ways! Do you want to die, people of Israel?'

(KJV-1611)
Say vnto them, As I liue, saith the Lord God, I haue no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turne from his way & liue: turne ye, turne ye from your euill wayes, for why wil ye die, O house of Israel?

(KJVR)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(LITV)
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord Jehovah, I do not have delight in the death of the wicked, except in the wicked turning from his way, and so to live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! For why will you die, O house of Israel?

(MKJV)
Say to them: As I live, says the Lord Jehovah, I have no delight in the death of the wicked, except in the turning of the wicked from his way, and so to live. Turn, turn from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

(RV)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(Webster)
Say to them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked should turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

(YLT)
Say unto them, I live--an affirmation of the Lord Jehovah, I delight not in the death of the wicked, But--in the turning of the wicked from his way, And he hath lived, Turn back, turn back, from your evil ways, Yea, why do ye die, O house of Israel?​
 
JustWondering

JustWondering

Jerk
If he doesn't like seeing sinners die why did he send the great flood instead of Jesus? Or make Noah a great prophet? I guess God works in mysterious ways or maybe he is just insane.
 
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