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Is the God of the OT and the NT the same God?

SearchingForGod

SearchingForGod

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I'm trying to read the Bible and as I was reading, this question popped into my head. Is the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament the same God? Or are they different? :(

Edit: And could you please state how?
 
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Akivah

Akivah

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Obviously not the same. If they were the same, then the Christians wouldn't have expended so much effort these past two thousand years to try to force us to worship their god.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
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Tumah said:
Are you expecting on getting a different response than Jews:different, Christians: same?
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Is there a third option? Can I say, as an ex-Christian, they are totally, absolutely, 100%, downright, no-arguments, without a doubt, completely antithetical to each other?
 
Tumah

Tumah

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Rival said:
Is there a third option? Can I say, as an ex-Christian, they are totally, absolutely, 100%, downright, no-arguments, without a doubt, completely antithetical to each other?
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No you can't because since you left Jesus you were never a true Christian and you didn't have faith or Jesus would have clarified all the contradictions for you.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
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Tumah said:
No you can't because since you left Jesus you were never a true Christian and you didn't have faith or Jesus would have clarified all the contradictions for you.
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Drat :( it's all your fault!!11!!111!!
 
Lorgar-Aurelian

Lorgar-Aurelian

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They are not the same. There is nothing in the old testament to lead one to the conclusion they are the same. They have different requirements to lead a good life, one assumes the form of a man (a very pagan concept I might add) and the other is one and only ever one.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

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SearchingForGod said:
I'm trying to read the Bible and as I was reading, this question popped into my head. Is the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament the same God? Or are they different? :(

Edit: And could you please state how?
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Different - One was human, one was not. For Jews the Messiah was to be a leader of the Jewish People, not God. Christianity is like folks who had absolutely no understanding of the Hebrew religion creating a religion based on an uninformed interpretation of the Tanakh.
 
Brickjectivity

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Nakosis said:
Jews and Muslims, maybe. Some feel the Muslims started out as a Christian sect who didn't accept the trinity. I suppose that would default to Jehovah and Allah being the same. The trinity really changed the concept of God.
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I respectfully suggest that Christians begin as gnostic pantheists who view the Torah as an analytical tool; but people among us start to try to wrest leadership. Bishops start to tussle over ephemeral authority and make it political. Teachers try to attract students to their own way of thinking. It is the natural thing. In addition Christians become well known, and we become a politically recognized power. It is only a matter of time before politicians get involved, looking for cracks and ways to inflame and manipulate our disagreements. This is where we really depart from the concept of God being all and in all. We see in history the arguments become extremely bitter one or two generations after Jesus time. These bitter arguments mark the end of the simple Catholic unity. Its also around this time that Jewish synagogues stop recognizing us as having anything to do with themselves. This occurs well before any synods, before the Eastern and the Western splits, before Constantine is born.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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SearchingForGod said:
I'm trying to read the Bible and as I was reading, this question popped into my head. Is the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament the same God? Or are they different? :(

Edit: And could you please state how?
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Same. Jesus was a jew and points to the same god as the jews. His messiahsip doesnt change he believed in the same father. The Church changed it to worshiping christ given they feel since christ has the same divinity god, he must be god. Thats not true. I think jews are disagreeing with mainsteam christianity. Mainsteam doesnt define the bible. The bible and jesus (ans the creator) didnt teach he/jesus is god so why would the creator be different in the NT than the old?

Put in another way: If both religions are from abraham, why would we assume that there is more than one creator?

Jesus worshiped the same god as moses and abraham.

How is it there be different gods when in both religions moses and jesus say there is only one creator?
 
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wizanda

wizanda

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SearchingForGod said:
Is the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament the same God? Or are they different?
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Firstly there is only one God with many representations...

My understanding is Yah - Avah means 'Lord To Be' (physically), Yehoshua means 'Lord that Saves'; these are both representations from the One God Most High (El Elyon).

Though Yeshua's actions, and statements (Matthew, Mark, Luke) fulfills prophecy precisely in a Hebraic context; Christianity (John, Paul, Simon peter) is a malformed mixture of Pharisaic and Hellenistic ideas, which then does have a different god being described.

As we dissect any religious texts with many different authors, we can always show many different theologies, as each author has their own slightly different slant on things as well. :innocent:
 
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