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Is the God of the OT and the NT the same God?

The Qur'an is the literal Words of God and only the Qur'an and whatever actually belongs in the original Torah, what doesn't conflict with the Qur'an maybe but you never know.

Same with the Gospels.

But the Qur'an is 100% the Words of God.
 
From the Zohar lll, 290a; Idra Zuta

Father and Mother, Son and Daughter is how Tishby titles chapter 16. Vol 1 on the section, "Godhead." Idra Zuta is the book of Zohar from which it is quoted.

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In the aggadah of the school of Rav Yev Sava it is taught: [the first two letters of Y-H-V-H, footnote 350] she becomes pregnant and produces a son, [351 Tiferet of the Tree of Life] and gives birth, and so she is called Binah, [352 Yod, He, + ben (son) make the word Binah. Bynah (y=i, a=e in Hebrew)] son and yod, he: they are joined together and the son in with them. The perfection exists in the way they are arranged; it's all-inclusive: father and mother, son and daughter.

In other words, YHVH is Father(Y), mother(H), son(V), daughter(h).

If anyone wants to divide Hashem into a family of pseudo-gods and if others believe they are merely aspects:

Whoever believes that they are aspects, that give birth and all that goes before and with that, show me this in the Bible and I will retract my claim regarding a pseudo-goddess in the Zohar.

But you can not do that, I already know. God is one, not 2 or 4 or 7 or 10. Not male or female even.

This is full blown polytheism disguised as monotheism with neo-platonic emanations representing different functions, not of God, just "aspects", but it is not an aspect of God at all, they are different functioning entities that they try and make all part of God and let him appear to remain one.

But it's just a more nonsensical version of the Trinity with more aspects and is more complex, even at times incoherent.

God is not father-mother-daughter-son, a "Quadrinity" in Monotheism. I use Quadrinity because that's what it is. They call it Hashem or the Tetragrammaton. Even non-Kabbalists call it that, Hashem, but they don't believe in the "Quadrinity©" of Kabbalah.

And people actually do admit that the Shekhina is a Goddess, in different ways by different people, Kabbalists.

At one time, the Zohar says, only Ayin or En, "nothing" existed, which created En Soph, "endless nothing" more or less describing the process of God coming into existence. It goes on. And on.

God has always existed as is and always will. He doesn't "evolve" and wasn't ever non-existent.

En Soph is an imitation of Zurvan or "Boundless time" of the Zend-Avesta (yes I own it too, all 3 vols.) of the Zoroastrians or Parsees, and of Para-Brahm of Hinduism.

Parsee is the source of "Pharisee" though you will find few who know or at least admit this and they have found a plausible etymology that makes it mean "seperatists" but that is a common ploy to deny the origin of a word. They changed the definition of the Bible of Israel, "wrestles with God" to something else and are able to pseudo-justify it and people who don't know better buy it. You will have to look up the fake definition I don't remember.

In Zurvanism like Kabbalah Zurvan became the Creator, so to speak, of God and Ahriman(Samael), was considered a heresy and unlike Kabbalah is extinct as a form of Zoroastrianism. As is the belief in Ahriman other than as symbolic.
 
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Let all you would be Kabbalah experts who don't know Zohar from Zohan, explain how the Shekhina can be an aspect of God that is able to be exiled by Samael, Lilith and Naamah, AND be "subjugated" by them as I explained on the last page the Zohar says happens.

When God is among other things All-Powerful, Almighty, very much literally invincible?

Resolve that dilemma with your Zohars, and you can question me regarding the Zohar and the Sheckhina(s).

I expect literal quotes cited by location provided by number and sometimes a, b and even c, with the name of the book it is in (for instance Idra Zuta, Sifra Dzenioutha, Lech Lecha, Raya Mehemna, Sitrei Torah, Tikkunei Zohar, etc).
 
Feel free to select from the version which incorporates the "Ashlag or Hasulam commentary" or go with your Soncino, Daniel Matt translation or whichever one you happen to own.

If you are lucky enough you can find all 15/20+ volumes of the Zohar on pdf, the exact one I happen to own I also have on pdf + some additional volumes not technically part of the Zohar. I would have been happy to share the source but you guys seem to not need the Zohar to be experts of your "own" opinions, second hand at best, so that won't be necessary.

I always thought you had to read the books a subject is based on like Kabbalah is on Zohar in order to understand them.

I guess you guys have access to the Akashic record (really just Google) and don't need to do the physical reading of us mere mortals to argue about a subject we have to learn from books the mortal way, the way that humans master subjects.

Too bad your sources aren't the Zohar but "some guy" on some website telling you about a book he probably has not read, or a "guru" looking to seduce you into paying for Kabbalah classes.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to read the Bible and as I was reading, this question popped into my head. Is the God of the Old Testament and the New Testament the same God? Or are they different? :(

Edit: And could you please state how?

The Lord Almighty God is the same God from everlasting to everlasting.

OLD TESTAMENT

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.” 1 Samuel 15:29

God, who is enthroned from of old, who does not change— he will hear them and humble them, because they have no fear of God. Psalm 55:19

“I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. Malachi 3:6

NEW TESTAMENT

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The Qur'an is the literal Words of God and only the Qur'an and whatever actually belongs in the original Torah, what doesn't conflict with the Qur'an maybe but you never know.

Same with the Gospels.

But the Qur'an is 100% the Words of God.

I seriously question what may be called the original Torah. The Pentateuch, by the evidence is a post ~700 BCE edited compilation from various sources.

I believe the Qur'an represents a Revelation from God, but regardless of whether it is 100% Word of God or not the problem comes with the interpretation and human understanding of the scripture. The problems with the Qur'an and Islam in today's world is a severely conflicted religion and no longer a spiritual leader in the world as it was ~1500 years ago.It is no longer a religion of peace and guidance for the modern world.

I believe the Baha'i Faith represents the Revelation for the modern world by the witness of the problems the modern world have overwhelmed the ancient religions, and the guidance the Baha'i Faith offers.
 
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