Sure, so do I, but will that be the case for all accusations?
That is why we need a formal process that the legal system can properly give.
I'm not trusting Twitter to give me facts.
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Is The Harvey Weinstein Debacle Leading To A New Prudery?
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Sure, so do I, but will that be the case for all accusations?
That is why we need a formal process that the legal system can properly give.
I'm not trusting Twitter to give me facts.
Alas, the justice system isn't capable of addressing that.
It's a free for all out there.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I think an attitude among females is developing wherein any kind of one-on-one personal behavior by a male can be taken as offensive: An arm around a female's shoulder, or waist. A friendly wink. An uncomfortable stare. A suggestive remark. Granted these may be unwanted and make a person uncomfortable; however, some females have no problem with such acts, so any discomfort lies within the psychological makeup of offended female, not the act itself. Females seem to be taking offense not because an action was actually discomforting, but because they've been told the action is inappropriate. They've been told there's a personal space around them that should not be violated, which is all well and good. Problem is, this varies from female to female, and by degree, and by other factors, none of which are apparent to men.
For the most part females rely on males to be the "aggressive" half in male-female bonding customs. Guys approach girls for friendly banter, girls usually don't. Guys ask girls out, not the other way around. Guys initiate sex, not girls. Therefore, if any progress is to be made in their bonding it's almost always up to the male to "test the waters" so to speak, sometimes hitting just the right note, or close enough to it, sometimes not; sometimes they'll break the personal space boundary the female has established for herself. For males it can be a challenging undertaking; some simply don't have the fineness, whereas others do. So mistakes are bound to occur. An arm around the shoulder may be acceptable whereas an arm around the waist is not. OOPS!
Just as note; none of this addresses out and out sexually orientated acts, such as a male exposing his genitals, or asking a woman if she'd like to ****, to say nothing of outright sexual demands or positions where a man can "black mail" a female into tolerating his offensive acts.
That said, once a female has indicate an act is unwanted, which should always be done, the male is obligated to cease and desist from doing it again no matter how trivial he thinks it is.
Personally, if I was a female and a male did any of the above, including exposing his genitals and asking me to ****, I would shrug it off with a request that he never do it again, and then go on about my business. And just for fun, I might even give an obvious glance downward and snicker at any male exposing his genitals.
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For the most part females rely on males to be the "aggressive" half in male-female bonding customs. Guys approach girls for friendly banter, girls usually don't. Guys ask girls out, not the other way around. Guys initiate sex, not girls. Therefore, if any progress is to be made in their bonding it's almost always up to the male to "test the waters" so to speak, sometimes hitting just the right note, or close enough to it, sometimes not; sometimes they'll break the personal space boundary the female has established for herself. For males it can be a challenging undertaking; some simply don't have the fineness, whereas others do. So mistakes are bound to occur. An arm around the shoulder may be acceptable whereas an arm around the waist is not. OOPS!
Just as note; none of this addresses out and out sexually orientated acts, such as a male exposing his genitals, or asking a woman if she'd like to ****, to say nothing of outright sexual demands or positions where a man can "black mail" a female into tolerating his offensive acts.
That said, once a female has indicate an act is unwanted, which should always be done, the male is obligated to cease and desist from doing it again no matter how trivial he thinks it is.
Personally, if I was a female and a male did any of the above, including exposing his genitals and asking me to ****, I would shrug it off with a request that he never do it again, and then go on about my business. And just for fun, I might even give an obvious glance downward and snicker at any male exposing his genitals.
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I know how dare someone refuse to rape someone! The audacity!
To refuse to rape someone is a good thing.
It's just not something I openly claim.
Since people easily make erroneous inferences,
this is good reason to entirely avoid the subject.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Then why not choose the masturbation one instead of colorful language? If someone is coming out ahead of something, I'd wager it's on the masturbation accusation. Focus on that.
How do you know what is said is minor? How do you know he's confronting the language and not the other more serious charge?
Being a wealthy celebrity has different consequences than us normal folk.
It's not germane to my thesis, but you're welcome to start your own thread to focus upon that.
Possibly. I try to avoid "colorful language" where I can, at least when I'm in situations where I'm not sure where people's comfort level is. I used to have a boss from New York, and he would swear all the time. But he told me that he got a complaint from someone who was uncomfortable with foul language and toned it down. He wasn't the kind of person who would sexually harass women or anything of the sort. But he did have a bit of a "garbage mouth," which I've known many women to have as well.
Telling dirty jokes might also be inappropriate in public situations, and any kind of ethnic humor is strictly forbidden in most work situations. Some comedians might be able to get away with it, and movies and even TV shows can push the limits as far as how much they'll actually depict. Whether it leads to a new prudery still remains to be seen, but considering that a lot of these accusations seem to be leveled at bigshots in Hollywood circles, it may eventually come to that. This could possibly lead to a revival of the old Hays Code (Motion Picture Production Code - Wikipedia):
Resolved, That those things which are included in the following list shall not appear in pictures produced by the members of this Association, irrespective of the manner in which they are treated:
- Pointed profanity – by either title or lip – this includes the words "God", "Lord", "Jesus", "Christ" (unless they be used reverently in connection with proper religious ceremonies), "hell", "damn", "Gawd", and every other profane and vulgar expression however it may be spelled;
- Any licentious or suggestive nudity – in fact or in silhouette; and any lecherous or licentious notice thereof by other characters in the picture;
- The illegal traffic in drugs;
- Any inference of sex perversion;
- White slavery;
- Miscegenation (sex relationships between the white and black races);
- Sex hygiene and venereal diseases;
- Scenes of actual childbirth – in fact or in silhouette;
- Children's sex organs;
- Ridicule of the clergy;
- Willful offense to any nation, race or creed;
- The use of the flag;
- International relations (avoiding picturizing in an unfavorable light another country's religion, history, institutions, prominent people, and citizenry);
- Arson;
- The use of firearms;
- Theft, robbery, safe-cracking, and dynamiting of trains, mines, buildings, etc. (having in mind the effect which a too-detailed description of these may have upon the moron);
- Brutality and possible gruesomeness;
- Technique of committing murder by whatever method;
- Methods of smuggling;
- Third-degree methods;
- Actual hangings or electrocutions as legal punishment for crime;
- Sympathy for criminals;
- Attitude toward public characters and institutions;
- Sedition;
- Apparent cruelty to children and animals;
- Branding of people or animals;
- The sale of women, or of a woman selling her virtue;
- Rape or attempted rape;
- First-night scenes;
- Man and woman in bed together;
- Deliberate seduction of girls;
- The institution of marriage;
- Surgical operations;
- The use of drugs;
- Titles or scenes having to do with law enforcement or law-enforcing officers;
- Excessive or lustful kissing, particularly when one character or the other is a "heavy".
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I play it safe and simply ignore any woman who isn't my wife.
The flipside is that that just makes them want to see your junk more.
The flipside is that that just makes them want to see your junk more.
I know I want to!
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
It's everything I expected....& more!Fine, here you go:
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
It's so big!Fine, here you go:
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Wanna see something?
Show-off.
When ya got it....flaunt it!
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Have ANY of these recent claims bringing dozens of men down, been brought to the police?
Being investigated, with the possibility of charges being filed....
Kevin Spacey
Harvey Weinstein
And those are just the ones I remember.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
My problem with sexual harassment claims (and yes I've said this before) is that there is no dividing lines. Friendly flirting can turn into harassment the minute she decides it has gone too far, and that line varies dramatically from woman to woman.
I'm a photographer that works with women in all stages of dress. I always have a female assistant present but when I think on this subject I worry that a comment intended as humor will be misinterpreted. Some would say not to just say it at all and I would respond that we photographers use humor to relax people and make them comfortable. But since there is no set line for where someones comfort level goes from a chuckle to a lawsuit, it is nerve wracking, not so much in the moment, but when I think about it...
I'm a photographer that works with women in all stages of dress. I always have a female assistant present but when I think on this subject I worry that a comment intended as humor will be misinterpreted. Some would say not to just say it at all and I would respond that we photographers use humor to relax people and make them comfortable. But since there is no set line for where someones comfort level goes from a chuckle to a lawsuit, it is nerve wracking, not so much in the moment, but when I think about it...