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Is the Intelligent Designer Christian or Muslim?

dust1n

Zindīq
None of them, for even if there is a designer, I would hardly call Him intelligent.

I mean, men with nipples? Where did He get this idea?

Ciao

- viole

I was thinking the other direction. I could use an erogenous zone on my tummy and on my calves. They aren't doing anything anyways.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The question "who is the true God" will not be settled by scientists. I believe the true God will settle that question in the near future, when he brings judgment upon all false religions. (Revelation 17)
But what if the deity that's reflected in Revelations turns out to be false, would you accept that?
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Well, they must differ in some aspect, otherwise one wouldn't have sent an additional prophet than the other, who holds a different system of rules than the God given by Christians. I'm not sure what the difference is. I'm hoping some of the ID proponents could enlighten us to the issue. Certainly, if the existence of God is a matter of scientific endeavor, than being able to determine who and what that God is, and what it is that God wants, would be able to be determined and supported with empirical evidence.

Well, I always believed that God abrogated stuff and that people have a hand in spreading what God did so far. Also, humans are not perfect you know. Science as a notion is perfect, but as humans puts it, it's not perfect. I mean, we still have theories and they are still called theories for a reason.

Maybe one day man, maybe one day :)
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
[QUdefinitely ]
="Awoon, post: 4328514, member: 32233"]They don't have to answer any questions. Just "believe" brother that's all you need to do. No knowledge needed !!![/QUOTE]


It definitely helps to have no knowledge or intelligence at all.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So, keeping in mind the ID is suppose a scientific alternative to evolution. ID proponents can tell us that there is an intelligent designer, but cannot tell us anything about this designer, including that the designer may be, in fact, Allah, and not Jehovah. Is this correct?
My understanding of ID theory is that it makes no effort to assign credit to any deity. According to Discovery.org website, "The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
"Intelligent design (ID) is a scientific theory that employs the methods commonly used by other historical sciences to conclude that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. ID theorists argue that design can be inferred by studying the informational properties of natural objects to determine if they bear the type of information that in our experience arise from an intelligent cause. The form of information which we observe is produced by intelligent action, and thus reliably indicates design, is generally called “specified complexity” or “complex and specified information” (CSI). An object or event is complex if it is unlikely, and specified if it matches some independent pattern."
 

outhouse

Atheistically
. Is the Intelligent Designer Jehovah, or Allah?

Neither.


And what scientific basis do these "scientists" use when determining which is the actual Intelligent Designer?

A creator is mythology in scientific terms. No such concept exist in reality as there is nothing o test for.

There factually is nothing in nature in that can be attributed to any so called designer.



ID is a modern concept created by man to keep mythology in science classes. It has failed and been deemed pseudoscience.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Does this intelligent designer resemble how the Bible describes him

No.


The bible does not describe a designer in any way.


Where many people fail intellectually is that they use books of theology as science or history.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
My understanding of ID theory is that it makes no effort to assign credit to any deity.

I'm not sure how I understand this. What is the intelligent designer? What would you call it?

According to Discovery.org website, "The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
"Intelligent design (ID) is a scientific theory that employs the methods commonly used by other historical sciences to conclude that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. ID theorists argue that design can be inferred by studying the informational properties of natural objects to determine if they bear the type of information that in our experience arise from an intelligent cause. The form of information which we observe is produced by intelligent action, and thus reliably indicates design, is generally called “specified complexity” or “complex and specified information” (CSI).

So Intelligent Design proponents hold aliens or a simulation just as likely a deity as a means to attributing "intelligence" to this "design"?

[/quote]An object or event is complex if it is unlikely, and specified if it matches some independent pattern."[/QUOTE]

Did not the intelligent designer create the very likely and, I guess matches to some dependent pattern, whatever that means?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
That makes it sound like Muslims have dialects :)

They do! You speak Hejazi Arabic and (probably) American English :)

I speak Standard British English, the Welsh of the mountain area centred on Tregaron and going as far south as Lampeter, and a mixture of Spanish which is more Chilean than anything else :) But I am not Muslim, so even Hindus speak in dialects.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
They do! You speak Hejazi Arabic and (probably) American English :)

I speak Standard British English, the Welsh of the mountain area centred on Tregaron and going as far south as Lampeter, and a mixture of Spanish which is more Chilean than anything else :) But I am not Muslim, so even Hindus speak in dialects.

Sorry, I meant as if "Islam" has dialects.

Muslims do have dialects but because of the languages and regions they happened to speak and live in. If I lived in England, I'd be having an English dialect :D

I mean, I even translate Allah to God when I speak English, and that translation is not wrong.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Sorry, I meant as if "Islam" has dialects.

Muslims do have dialects but because of the languages and regions they happened to speak and live in. If I lived in England, I'd be having an English dialect :D

I mean, I even translate Allah to God when I speak English, and that translation is not wrong.

Hmm, maybe denominations or interpretations of Islam are quite like dialects, in a way :)

So you 'speak' a Sunni dialect :)
 
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