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Is the Intelligent Designer Christian or Muslim?

gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
rusra02 said:
My understanding of ID theory is that it makes no effort to assign credit to any deity. According to Discovery.org website, "The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
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Except that the Discovery Institute (DI) was started by Protestant creationists, which most of whom have no science background.

And if you read their manifesto, Wedge Document, it is clearly Protestant venture, to teach creationism in public school science classrooms, by undermining evolution through PR and misinformation using Intelligent Design. It is going through school boards, using politics and law courts to convince them to teach ID or creationism, not through scientific method and peer review.

DI are trying to bypass science method and peer review which tell everyone that they have no interest in science in promoting Intelligent Design.

You talk of the Discovery Institute, and yet you have no idea of DI's origin and agendas.

Have you read the Wedge Document yet?

Read it, and then tell us that Designer have nothing to do with your God. Read it and then tell us it is not a creationist organisation.

The Wedge Document made it quite clear what sort of organisation it really is, then you can stop this pretence that God is not the Designer or Discovery Institute is not another name for creationism. You can also stop pretending that ID is not pseudoscience crap, which it is.
 
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Awoon

Well-Known Member
dust1n said:
The two main groups I tend to notice that lean towards an intelligent designer are Christians and Muslims. So my question is quite simple. Is the Intelligent Designer Jehovah, or Allah? And what scientific basis do these "scientists" use when determining which is the actual Intelligent Designer?
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The Intelligent Designer is Mind energy. Everything is projected from Mind.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
rusra02 said:
My understanding of ID theory is that it makes no effort to assign credit to any deity. According to Discovery.org website, "The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
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How is this intelligent designer/cause not a deity? ID posits consciousness, intentionality, planning, &c -- attributes of a personage.
Not assigning a name to this designer can't hide his divinity.
"Intelligent design (ID) is a scientific theory that employs the methods commonly used by other historical sciences to conclude that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.
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This is completely false. Where did you hear this? What scientists promote such conclusions?
ID was not arrived at by the scientific method. It is not a theory, It's an unsupported religious or mythological doctrine.
ID theorists argue that design can be inferred by studying the informational properties of natural objects to determine if they bear the type of information that in our experience arise from an intelligent cause. The form of information which we observe is produced by intelligent action, and thus reliably indicates design, is generally called “specified complexity” or “complex and specified information” (CSI). An object or event is complex if it is unlikely, and specified if it matches some independent pattern."
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This information doctrine is a straw man that ID proponents have been pushing, recently. They try to equate evolution with an increase of "information" and claim there's no accounting for this except by magic (ID).
 
Marisa

Marisa

Well-Known Member
dust1n said:
The two main groups I tend to notice that lean towards an intelligent designer are Christians and Muslims. So my question is quite simple. Is the Intelligent Designer Jehovah, or Allah? And what scientific basis do these "scientists" use when determining which is the actual Intelligent Designer?
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I object to the use of the word "intelligent" to describe an engineer who puts an amusement park in the middle of a waste production facility. :D
 
Marisa

Marisa

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dust1n said:
Hey, give God a break. You try manufacturing the universe with 7 billion kids always nagging him.
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And why do Dolphins get to breathe through a different whole than they eat through? I don't wanna choke either! And what's with leg bones on a whale? And WHY do I have what appears to be the start of a tail? I don't want no dang tail!!! What's with the appendix that damn near killed me when it exploded???? And tonsils, was the point to make me spend my first 3 years in the throes of the mother of all ear infections??? I NEED ANSWERS!!!
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Marisa said:
And why do Dolphins get to breathe through a different whole than they eat through? I don't wanna choke either! And what's with leg bones on a whale? And WHY do I have what appears to be the start of a tail? I don't want no dang tail!!! What's with the appendix that damn near killed me when it exploded???? And tonsils, was the point to make me spend my first 3 years in the throes of the mother of all ear infections??? I NEED ANSWERS!!!
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You are blessed the Lord gave you a tail and not four extra nipples.
 
rusra02

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
gnostic said:
Except that the Discovery Institute (DI) was started by Protestant creationists, which most of whom have no science background.

And if you read their manifesto, Wedge Document, it is clearly Protestant venture, to teach creationism in public school science classrooms, by undermining evolution through PR and misinformation using Intelligent Design. It is going through school boards, using politics and law courts to convince them to teach ID or creationism, not through scientific method and peer review.

DI are trying to bypass science method and peer review which tell everyone that they have no interest in science in promoting Intelligent Design.

You talk of the Discovery Institute, and yet you have no idea of DI's origin and agendas.

Have you read the Wedge Document yet?

Read it, and then tell us that Designer have nothing to do with your God. Read it and then tell us it is not a creationist organisation.

The Wedge Document made it quite clear what sort of organisation it really is, then you can stop this pretence that God is not the Designer or Discovery Institute is not another name for creationism. You can also stop pretending that ID is not pseudoscience crap, which it is.
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Firstly, my quoting the Discovery.org websites definition of ID does not mean I support Discovery Institute. Secondly, I am convinced that any individual, such as Ben Stein and Michael Behe, or organization, such as DI, who dares challenge evolution,will be vilified by many of the evolution theory adherents. Lumping ID with " creationism" is a common ploy of evolutionist propagandists, IMO.
 
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