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Is the Jesus in the Quran the same in the Bible?

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
muhammad_isa said:
Yeah, yeah .. all Abrahamic sripture has either been made-up or plagariased.. :rolleyes:
I think that you credit mankind with more intelligence than they actually have
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Your apologetic faith is noted, but it is factually not credible history.

I'm sorry that what is actually historical does not jive with your faith. This is one of the known dangers of religious faith and how it fights academic knowledge blindly.
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe the Bible is factual ie that it contains facts that have been verified by science. However the Bible also contains fiction. So it is with academics. There are facts and there are fictions.
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My comment wasn't about the Bible. It was about a Christian tradition and pilgrimage that was once practiced for a time prior to the Quran. This pilgrimage and tradition had some of the very ideas about Jesus found in the Quran. Hence many of the ideas about Jesus found in the Quran are Christian ideas that died out. Also many of these ideas were considered heretical hence why many do not know about it at all. If you had read the reference you would have seen this but you didn't read it.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Muffled said:
I believe the Bible is factual ie that it contains facts that have been verified by science.
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You have faith, not any actual credible knowledge

The bible is not factual, and it is not up for debate. That is the academic credible statement on the topic.

Much of which science has show to be in serious error. That is a fact and not up for debate.


Your blind faith however is noted.




Muffled said:
I find it difficult to believe you ever have anything factual to say about me and I am speaking in reference to your history on this site.
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Much of what you propose is blind faith, and factually has no historicity what so ever.

Its why you cannot EVER post a reply with a credible source and link supporting your faith.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
muhammad_isa said:
You are the one that is blind .. You are conceited in the worship of your 'historical facts', and have no spiritual sight
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Sir, spirituality has nothing to do with credible history not in dispute.


It amazes me that muslims who murder each other over sectarian violence are the last to notice how terrible the misuse of religion can be.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
leibowde84 said:
This is counter-intuitive, as both refer to the same person; albeit with differing characteristics, but still, historically, the same person.
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Su 2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear Signs

I believe calling Jesus the son of Mary is consistent with the Bibllical reference to Jesus as the son of Mary.

Mt. 1:18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
Su 2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear Signs

I believe calling Jesus the son of Mary is consistent with the Bibllical reference to Jesus as the son of Mary.

Mt. 1:18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
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Both of these quotes call Jesus the son of Mary, though.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Muffled said:
I believe I have said it before and will say it again. You never say anything truthful about me.
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Then it is upon you to prove your statements are in fact historical.


Please provide credible sources or even wiki that states your position is historical.


We don't need to play word games, and we do require honesty here. YOU know you cannot provide any credible source to substantiate any of your apologetic rhetoric.

You know your position is factually not historical and is 100% faith based going the opposite way of what history dictates actually took place.
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
What was really written about Mary before Saul/Paul wrote about it ?
My memory is getting terrible !
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'mud
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
'mud said:
What was really written about Mary before Saul/Paul wrote about it ?
My memory is getting terrible !
~
'mud
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We don't know.

We suspect some things may have existed but details unknown in these illiterate cultures
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Out,
Does this mean that the 'existence' of Mary is questionable,
and of course the 'existence' of Jesus ?
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Swimming in the lack of 'evidence' am I !
What about 'God', what did He write about Mary ?
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Damned memory !!!!
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'mud
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
OK....it makes sense to me...I think
I wish I had my memory back...or not !
Thanks Out....very helpful.....
Now.......about Joseph !
;)
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'mud
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
'mud said:
Now.......about Joseph !
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I think he may have been the mans real dad.

he had to be edited out when your community is creating mythology that he is the son of a god

The people who wrote the NT were worshipping the emperor as son of god, first before they even called jesus son of god to compete with the emperors divinity.

In this time it was normal to call people divine
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
More and more common sense,
I don't think I can take all that good thinking.
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I'm surprised no-one is jumping in yet !
Thanks for the stimulae.
Going to the barber-shop, or I have to get a new collar.
Later sport.
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'mud
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
leibowde84 said:
Both of these quotes call Jesus the son of Mary, though.
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I believe that is true but that it is evident and not a matter of intuition. I don't believe the characterization of Jesus in the Bible is different from that in the Qu'ran but simply that the Bible has more information.

The second issue is whether either can be viewed as mythological or historical. I believe both are neither but are the word of God.
 
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