Is the Mind really a spirit?

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Ahh right! So we have no answer to a plain and simple question that my grandchild could understand. I will just repeat it here in order that those who browse these threads might see the difficult question that you cannot even understand, let alone answer.

Do you believe that a child that is born lacking the senses of sight, hearing , smell, taste and touch, could ever develop a mind as the godhead to the enclosure of ancestral spirits that is its body? Or do you believe that even if you were able to keep it alive, it would remain, until that body is returned to the universal elements from which it was formed, no more that a living vegetable?

Surely everyone understands that the evolution from the first organic molecule to the species of mankind, is a pooling of information/Spirit, that was gathered through all the life forms in the evolutionary line that culminated in Mankind, the enclosure of all that gathered information? I tried to dumb it down as much as I could for you, but there you go.

I don't know whether to find your banal atempt at intellectual Posturing insulting or amusing. Seriously, "godhead to the enclosure of ancestral spirits"? That is gobeldygook, a platitude. The way you worded that entire paragraph in pink makes no grammatical sense. Is English your first language? The rest of your post is simply superstitious wishful thinking it would seem.

Does any of this have anything to do with the rather specious proposition that the mind is a ghost?

 

[S-word]

I don't know whether to find your banal atempt at intellectual Posturing insulting or amusing. Seriously, "godhead to the enclosure of ancestral spirits"? That is gobeldygook, a platitude. The way you worded that entire paragraph in pink makes no grammatical sense. Is English your first language? The rest of your post is simply superstitious wishful thinking it would seem.

Does any of this have anything to do with the rather specious proposition that the mind is a ghost?

As I said previously, take it as you wish. I don't know about you, but I know "Who I Am," who is my indwelling ancestral spirit which guides me and lights the way for me, warning me of any unforseen dangers ahead. I know that if this body was born lacking the senses of sight, hearing , smell, taste and touch, then I, the heir to the throne of my ancestral spirit could never have developed as the mind/spirit that is the godhead to this enclosure of ancestral spirits, of which my indwelling Father is their compilation. Bye, Bye Buddy.

 

[footprints]

No that is not just me, there is no commercially available device that can transmit brainwaves between people so as each brain can intepret each other. And there definitely isn't any such device that gives a person an ability to see the future!

I would agree, the human brain is not a commercial device, and I have no idea where you have received the idea we are talking about a machine. I suppose it is because you relate the human brain to a machine.

Make up your mind! Its either technology enhancing the brian with somekind of radio transmitter, or you believe that the 1 HZ to 100 Hz signalling that the brain produces can be transmitted into space. But as noted before Radio Frequency starts at 3000 Hz. So the signalling rate of the brain is too low to be transmitted as a RF signal. THAT'S not me making up the minimum frequency that's physics. TRY reading a few layman books on the subject at least!

LOL my mind is in the process of being made up. Evidence will provide the answer.

 

[Beyondo]

I would agree, the human brain is not a commercial device, and I have no idea where you have received the idea we are talking about a machine. I suppose it is because you relate the human brain to a machine.



LOL my mind is in the process of being made up. Evidence will provide the answer.

Evidence has already provided the answer: 1Hz to 100 Hz is not a RF type wave and therefore does not leave the body. Duely note that the only animals that can detect neurological signaling live underwater. Why? Becasue the wavelength that neurons fire at can only travel by conduction! Water conducts electrical currents. Get it, conduction, not wave propagation through space. :yes:

 

[footprints]

Evidence has already provided the answer: 1Hz to 100 Hz is not a RF type wave and therefore does not leave the body. Duely note that the only animals that can detect neurological signaling live underwater. Why? Becasue the wavelength that neurons fire at can only travel by conduction! Water conducts electrical currents. Get it, conduction, not wave propagation through space. :yes:

LOL sorry to inform you beyondo, we can already detect brain wave signals in the aura around the body.

Sorry to also inform you, electricity can conduct through the air, once the air ionises. It is how lighting conducts.

You continue to increase my education.

 

[Beyondo]

LOL sorry to inform you beyondo, we can already detect brain wave signals in the aura around the body.

LOL, No you can't and if your speaking of Kirlian photography its not due to brain waves.

Sorry to also inform you, electricity can conduct through the air, once the air ionises. It is how lighting conducts.

Ah no...Lightning discharges are complex phsyics that is very different from conduction through a wire or material like water, and it is caused by ionized build up of electrons in clouds. The electrical energy from neural signalling of your entire brian isn't sufficeint to cause an electric field that could discharge accross a 5 foot room! Your absolutely clueless to modern physics. You apparently just sit in your bedroom dreaming up your fantasies of how the universe works based on your false premise of physics.

You continue to increase my education.

And so you are learning. Keep comming back with more of your drivel. I will at some point put it all together in a list. I am not quite sure what to bill you but I'm sure we can work something out. LOL :drool:

 

[footprints]

LOL, No you can't and if your speaking of Kirlian photography its not due to brain waves.

LOL yes we can. You do know we do not stick probes into a persons brain to detect brain waves don't you.

Ah no...Lightning discharges are complex phsyics that is very different from conduction through a wire or material like water, and it is caused by ionized build up of electrons in clouds. The electrical energy from neural signalling of your entire brian isn't sufficeint to cause an electric field that could discharge accross a 5 foot room! Your absolutely clueless to modern physics. You apparently just sit in your bedroom dreaming up your fantasies of how the universe works based on your false premise of physics.

Lightening isn't complex physics at all. It is basic potential build up. When the potential at the base of cloud becomes so intense, it ionises the air between it and the ground and provides a conductive path. Corona effect. It is something which always must be taken into consideration with high voltage installations and the reason there is a standard list of clearances to account for it.

And so you are learning. Keep comming back with more of your drivel. I will at some point put it all together in a list. I am not quite sure what to bill you but I'm sure we can work something out. LOL :drool:

LOL, you wouldn't believe what I am learning.

 

[Beyondo]

LOL yes we can. You do know we do not stick probes into a persons brain to detect brain waves don't you.

Hardly call EEG picking up brains waves from the aura of the body, but I forget that you think in terms of hocus pocus. Clearly EEG is the conduction of brain waves through the body not magical energies that can see into the future.

Lightening isn't complex physics at all. It is basic potential build up. When the potential at the base of cloud becomes so intense, it ionises the air between it and the ground and provides a conductive path. Corona effect. It is something which always must be taken into consideration with high voltage installations and the reason there is a standard list of clearances to account for it.

Ah, thats a pretty simplistic explination but I forget you're a pretty simple minded individual. You may want to do some research on the subject since you've based your theory of brain wave transmission on it. But even the arc path of a lighting strike, or even that of high voltage lines can not be predicted by physics today! A good example of of how random electrical arcing can be are those spacy looking Arc lamps. These lamps are similar to Tesla coil high voltage discharges and demonstrate how impossible it is to predict an exact arc path. So as usual footprints go about your life thinking you understand it all but in reality you're clueless. :thud:
Again the electrical energy from your neurons firing isn't going to send any arc across any distance beyond your body. But I forget footprints your phsyics is different from the universe the rest of us exist in. So go ahead and stick an antena on your forehead and send a spark. LOL

 

[footprints]

Hardly call EEG picking up brains waves from the aura of the body, but I forget that you think in terms of hocus pocus. Clearly EEG is the conduction of brain waves through the body not magical energies that can see into the future.

LOL yeah EEG picks up outside the body. And by ionising the air, it is amazing what we can pick up, by moving the probes away a bit.

Ah I love your knowledge.

Ah, thats a pretty simplistic explination but I forget you're a pretty simple minded individual. You may want to do some research on the subject since you've based your theory of brain wave transmission on it. But even the arc path of a lighting strike, or even that of high voltage lines can not be predicted by physics today! So as usual footprints go about your life thinking you understand it all but in reality you're clueless. :thud:

LOL, I don't have to give a detailed study of lightening and air ionisation to prove I was right and you didn't have a clue. Still don't.

LOL you didn't even know why lightening strikes and how it conducts through the air, yet it is me who doesn't have a clue.

By the way, not only can we predict high voltage spikes, we can prevent them. We can even divert lightening strikes, and by measuring air ionisation, we can even tell when they are most probable and likely to occur.

Again the electrical energy from your neurons firing isn't going to send any arc across any distance beyond your body. But I forget footprints your phsyics is different from the universe the rest of us exist in. So go ahead and stick an antena on your forehead and send a spark. LOL

I am sorry to say, static discharge does send arcs between the body and other objects. And also a similar reason as to why some humans get hit by lightening. I don't know how many things you can be wrong in.

Pertaining to other factors of energy leaving the body, you stick to you blind faith belief, who knows you may be right, there is a first time for everything. As for me, I will wait to all investigations have been throughly concluded.

 

[Beyondo]

LOL yeah EEG picks up outside the body. And by ionising the air, it is amazing what we can pick up, by moving the probes away a bit.

All talk an no references. Oh I forgot you get your knowledge from osmosis!

LOL, I don't have to give a detailed study of lightening and air ionisation to prove I was right and you didn't have a clue. Still don't.

Sorry but I gave a simliar simpilistic summary that you did but conveyed that there are complexities of lightning that make it different than conduction through metal or water. You're ranting on being right when your really clueless!

I am sorry to say, static discharge does send arcs between the body and other objects. I don't know how many things you can be wrong in.

Static electricty isn't generated by brain waves emanatting from your body. But here again you prove your physics is special.

Pertaining to other factors of energy leaving the body, you stick to you blind faith belief, who knows you may be right, there is a first time for everything. As for me, I will wait to all investigations have been throughly concluded.

Footprints as far as factors leaving your body, particularly your brain...Well...Let's just say; Flush and turn on the fan.

 

[Beyondo]

By the way, not only can we predict high voltage spikes, we can prevent them. We can even divert lightening strikes, and by measuring air ionisation, we can even tell when they are most probable and likely to occur.

I never said a voltage spike could not be predicted. We can only try to divert a lighting strike. Predicting the likely hood of lighting is not the same as predicting the acutal arc path.

Footprints stop bending what I say. Get over your hocus pocus theories, or better yet get an education and do some real work in the dicipline...

 

[footprints]

I never said a voltage spike could not be predicted. We can only try to divert a lighting strike. Predicting the likely hood of lighting is not the same as predicting the acutal arc path.

Footprints stop bending what I say. Get over your hocus pocus theories, or better yet get an education and do some real work in the dicipline...

We do not only try to divert lightening strikes, we do divert them. And with the latest releases of ionisation pads, which detect the change in the earths atomosphere, they are getting better all the time.

We know the path of lightening. The path of least resistance, and why lightening arrestors, lightening rods, and now ionisation pads work.

Just as with knowledge of the human brain, we are gaining in knowledge, all over the place. It is an exciting time to be alive, new technology has opened many doors. Only research will give us the answers, albeit some will cling to the knowledge of their own belief.

 

[Beyondo]

We do not only try to divert lightening strikes, we do divert them. And with the latest releases of ionisation pads, which detect the change in the earths atomosphere, they are getting better all the time.

ionisation pads? Why don't you site a reference or two?

Again we can only try to divert there's no guarantee that lighting won't strike a person in the middle of a field as opposed to a lighting rod on the same field.

We know the path of lightening. The path of least resistance, and why lightening arrestors, lightening rods, and now ionisation pads work.

Really? Well then explain why a welding arc doesn't land directly below the tip? Cause if you can answer that one, then you got most physicist beat!

BTW: Before I got into software development I was a commercial deep sea diver. I specialized in NonDestructive Testing of materials and weld joints. I attended the Colledge of Oceaneering in San Pedro CA. I wrote a paper on welding...

Just as with knowledge of the human brain, we are gaining in knowledge, all over the place. It is an exciting time to be alive, new technology has opened many doors. Only research will give us the answers, albeit some will cling to the knowledge of their own belief.

Like you. LOL

footprints...Get an education...Please! It will only do you good, really...:yes:

 

[footprints]

ionisation pads? Why don't you site a reference or two?

Next time don't be lazy and do your own research. However if you are going to install any of these units, I would personally suggest you use a euromould or austramould kit, rather than the raychem kit issued on the down conductor.

Why supply many when 1 does the same thing. This particular system monitors air ionisation and then sends out a leader for the lightening to follow. We monitored over 40 strikes on one unit protecting a main substation in Sydney during a single thunder storm.

Lightning & Surge Technologies - Eritech System 3000

Again we can only try to divert there's no guarantee that lighting won't strike a person in the middle of a field as opposed to a lighting rod on the same field.

Yeah there is no guarantee a lightening protection system installed in Paris, France, will protect a person in New York, USA.

Really? Well then explain why a welding arc doesn't land directly below the tip? Cause if you can answer that one, then you got most physicist beat!

LOL most physicists already know this answer, one which I have already given you, it is called the path of least resistance. By the way, sometimes the arc does strike directly below the tip.

BTW: Before I got into software development I was a commercial deep sea diver. I specialized in NonDestructive Testing of materials and weld joints. I attended the Colledge of Oceaneering in San Pedro CA. I wrote a paper on welding...

Sounds interesting if you are interested in that sort of stuff. I only stayed with software programming a few years, personally I found it boring.

Like you. LOL

footprints...Get an education...Please! It will only do you good, really...:yes:

LOL

 

[Beyondo]

Next time don't be lazy and do your own research. However if you are going to install any of these units, I would personally suggest you use a euromould or austramould kit, rather than the raychem kit issued on the down conductor.

Why supply many when 1 does the same thing. This particular system monitors air ionisation and then sends out a leader for the lightening to follow. We monitored over 40 strikes on one unit protecting a main substation in Sydney during a single thunder storm.

Lightning & Surge Technologies - Eritech System 3000

You're really "Special" the site describes a system that protects a facility like a transmission tower and is similar to a lighting rod. The device sits on top of the area you want to protect. It doesn't divert the lighting to some other area. So as I said before if you're in a field and there is a lighting rod or this 3000 device there is no guarantee that the lighting would not strike the person. Next time "Special" person read the manual!

Also you didn't provide any reference for the so called "Ionization pad".

LOL most physicists already know this answer, one which I have already given you, it is called the path of least resistance. By the way, sometimes the arc does strike directly below the tip.

You are indeed "Special" and trying to call the path of least resistence as a predictable path is laughable. But really, demonstrate to us all how you can predict the exact path of a lighting bolt once you've isolated the ionization build up. Or better yet and a little easier, I'll give you a controlled environment. Demonstrate how to predict each exact arc path eminating from the Telsa coil to the glass service of an arc lamp . You can find such lamps sold on Amazon?

And no, physicists don't know why the arc doesn't land directly below the tip.

Sounds interesting if you are interested in that sort of stuff. I only stayed with software programming a few years, personally I found it boring.
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That's because you have zero talent for just about anything other than aguing about things you don't understand! Who would hire someone like that?

I on the other hand run a business. The simulation systems I've developed are used by the Navy, Airforce and Army. My forte is resusable adaptable software and minimum coding. I establish this kind of development style long before I went into business for myself and the reason I went into business for myself was so I wouldn't have to deal with people like you who don't get it!

 

[footprints]

You're really "Special" the site describes a system that protects a facility like a transmission tower and is similar to a lighting rod. The device sits on top of the area you want to protect. It doesn't divert the lighting to some other area. So as I said before if you're in a field and there is a lighting rod or this 3000 device there is no guarantee that the lighting would not strike the person. Next time "Special" person read the manual!

Also you didn't provide any reference for the so called "Ionization pad".

LOL knowing more than you doesn't make me special. Anybody with an advanced education could have done the same thing.

LOL ionisation pad is an industry term. The lightening gets diverted to the ionisation pad, then sunk into the earth grid.

LOL it does protect people, buildings and equipment, providing of course, these things are in range. If not to make them work over a greater range, you have to fit more of them. Commonsense alone should tell a person that. Not only have I read the manual, I have used them in many designs.

Thanks for the conversation, it has been interesting to say the least.

 

[Beyondo]

LOL knowing more than you doesn't make me special. Anybody with an advanced education could have done the same thing.

LOL ionisation pad is an industry term. The lightening gets diverted to the ionisation pad, then sunk into the earth grid.

LOL it does protect people, buildings and equipment, providing of course, these things are in range. If not to make them work over a greater range, you have to fit more of them. Commonsense alone should tell a person that. Not only have I read the manual, I have used them in many designs.

Thanks for the conversation, it has been interesting to say the least.

This is footprints: :tigger:
This is footprints understanding of physics: :bonk:

This is footprints theory of brain transmission: :franken:

This is explaining to footprints why it won't work: :banghead3
This is footprints finally getting the point he lacks the knowledge::balloons:

The End. :rainbow:

 

[footprints]

This is footprints: :tigger:
This is footprints understanding of physics: :bonk:

This is footprints theory of brain transmission: :franken:

This is explaining to footprints why it won't work: :banghead3
This is footprints finally getting the point he lacks the knowledge::balloons:

The End. :rainbow:

LOL, thank you for the conversation.

 

[logician]

Everything contains consciousness, even if the entity itself is not conscious.

This is quite an absurd statement.

 

[S-word]

This is quite an absurd statement.

Said the rock to me, Ah Hah I see!
But you have no eyes said I to he
I see with my mind said the two ton rock
What a load of flaming popy-sock
Said I to he. Then he said no more
As he turned his back and rolled out the door
But a ten ton truck mowed him down
And among the rubble, layin on the ground
Neath the wheels of the truck so big and monsterous
Was his conciousness though he wasn’t conscious.....By S-word