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Is the moon getting nearer ?

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
So you have no clue? At least you admitted that. The first observation, and the first piece of evidence for Dark Matter was that galaxies rotate faster than the observed made would indicate. You still did not ask properly, but since you admitted to not having a clue I decided to help you a bit.
I don´t give a daim for your personal, emotional and eternal nit pickings. And you obviously automatically think debaters don´t investigate what they are talking about.

Grow up man!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don´t give a daim for your personal, emotional and eternal nit pickings. And you obviously automatically think debaters don´t investigate what they are talking about.

Grow up man!
Many debaters do investigate their claims. That does not appear to be the case in your situation since you get so much wrong that could have been tested with a simple Google search.

That is why I offer to explain it you can ask properly. Don't take it so personally when you are shown to be wrong and learning becomes much easier.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Remember when I claimed you could not do the math? You just confirmed that. The atmosphere does not carry gravity. Gravity is due to the mass of the Earth (for us at any rate) and goes down at an inverse square rate as the radius to the center of the Earth increases. And it is not "dogma". It is an observation that can be tested in many ways.
You could get the same math results just by counting on the atmospheric pressure on the Earth. But of course, your trusted and worshipped Newtonian dogmatics demands you otherwise.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
No, I´m not ignoring the factual scientific observations. I´m just questioning the consensus causal explanations.

What you keep on ignoring is that the theories you are rejecting make exact, numerical predictions and those predictions match observations and experiments we can do to check them.

If the theories are totally wrong, why do the predictions match the experiments and observations?

Of course there are concrete tidal connections between the Earth and the Moon and the Earth and the Sun, but not for the dogmatic consensus reasons of "gravity", which obviously has lost it´s assumed influences right outside the Earth atmosphere.

Eh? Who do you think thinks gravity stops outside the atmosphere?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You could get the same math results just by counting on the atmospheric pressure on the Earth. But of course, your trusted and worshipped Newtonian dogmatics demands you otherwise.
Really? Let's see the math.

I do believe that air pressure is another topic that you will get wrong.

Edit: By the way making false accusations against other members is "making it personal". Something that you complained about. Just do the math that you said exists.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Many debaters do investigate their claims. That does not appear to be the case in your situation since you get so much wrong that could have been tested with a simple Google search.
That is why I offer to explain it you can ask properly. Don't take it so personally when you are shown to be wrong and learning becomes much easier.
Don´t you get it? I cannot use "your offers", which in large are based on not proven evidences to anything at all, as it is the case of "dark matter".

"Many debaters investigate their claims" my a..!

Fine:
Apropos google tests have you done your proper homework reading this? When you have and when you have contemplated the contents, you can return with another and more humble and respectful approach to your for now just Besserwissen and unpleasant attitudes.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Nice work. I could not place the old.identity here.
It took me a while to suss out (haha) that James Blunt = Sustainer. But if you look at posts 15 and 16 here: New Member Exchemist checking in...
you will see that his old name still appears in the text to which I was replying.

What I suspect may have happened was that people got wise to Sustainer and put him on Ignore or stoped replying to him, so he felt he wasn't getting enough attention. Seeing as he is banned from every science forum on the internet, he has nowhere else to turn, so he thought up the wheeze of getting his name changed, thereby enabling him to irritate the same cast of characters all over again - me included.

Now I know, I'll be putting him back on Ignore. All his posts are just attention-seeking, so the more scientifically preposterous the better as far as he is concerned. The only thing that will stop him is not responding.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Really? Let's see the math.
I do believe that air pressure is another topic that you will get wrong.
Edit: By the way making false accusations against other members is "making it personal". Something that you complained about. Just do the math that you said exists.
I don´t care what you believe or not. And I don´t care about your eternal personal comments at all.

In my mind you simply just don´t exist anymore. Do your own math and thinking or not. I don´t care at all.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Don´t you get it? I cannot use "your offers", which in large are based on not proven evidences to anything at all, as it is the case of "dark matter".

"Many debaters investigate their claims" my a..!

All of the evidence that I use is "proven". It appears that you do not understand the terms that you are using again. And by denying clear evidence you lose. I warned you ahead of time. Like other science deniers you need to work on your understanding of that term.

Fine:
Apropos google tests have you done your proper homework reading this? When you have and when you have contemplated the contents, you can return with another and more humble and respectful approach to your for now just Besserwissen and unpleasant attitudes.

A Google search is not evidence. All you did was to link problems in physics. Which leads to a bit "So what?" . Yes, there are unanswered questions in the sciences. That does not support your beliefs in any way at all.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don´t care what you believe or not. And I don´t care about your eternal personal comments at all.

In my mind you simply just don´t exist anymore. Do your own math and thinking or not. I don´t care at all.
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So you made another empty and false claim. I can do the math and that is why I know that you are wrong. I can give practical examples that demonstrate your error without doing the math, which I doubt that you would understand.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Show your working.
I did just that! It´s called Natural Philosophy :)

I you´re having troubles understanding my 7 degree ordinary school English, which almost in details describes the causes of tides, just tell me.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You could get the same math results just by counting on the atmospheric pressure on the Earth. But of course, your trusted and worshipped Newtonian dogmatics demands you otherwise.
Show your working.
I did just that! It´s called Natural Philosophy :)

You made a claim that you could get the same math results. Just saying "Natural Philosophy" does not show that this is possible. To show that it's possible you need to show the mathematics itself.

Show me the calculation or formulas that arrive at the same answers (or admit your claim was baseless).
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Nobody is pretending that there are no problems in cosmology. The point is whether you have an alternative that:
  1. Reproduces all the predictive power of current theories.

  2. Solves one or more of these problems.
Fame and fortune await you if you do...
Ratiocinator;

I seriously appreciate your comments and your personal balanced and factual replies. For most debaters here, they just ignore the cosmological problems and contradictions and claim everything to be the concrete truth.

Apropos the "predictive powers of current theories", this is somewhat irrelevant and in vane to me, since my basic thinking goes against most of the standing theories.

Regarding "solving one or more af these problems" it´s quite another case, but of course it´s up to others to grasp my explanations and see if these explanations possibly could solve some problems.

In this sense I ask you to furthermore consider my "tidal-explanations" in "379 and give your response on the content.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I did just that! It´s called Natural Philosophy :)

I you´re having troubles understanding my 7 degree ordinary school English, which almost in details describes the causes of tides, just tell me.
That was only ignorant hand saving on your part and not " natural philosophy " at all.

And as pointed out by @ratiocinator , take and fortune exist for you if you can support your claims.

Earlier you said that "You could get the same math results just by relying on atmospheric pressure." .Please do the math or own up to your error. You keep making false claims against others and then get angry when your clear errors are exposed. You are not being consistent in your attitude.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
You made a claim that you could get the same math results. Just saying "Natural Philosophy" does not show that this is possible.
I know this is what is needed in the modern science - and it bores my visionary and intuitive brain to death just to think of doing it. Somewhere I hope others to check out the math from my very explanations itself.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Please do the math or own up to your error. You keep making false claims against others and then get angry when your clear errors are exposed. You are not being consistent in your attitude.
Speaking to your self again are you?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I know this is what is needed in the modern science - and it bores my visionary and intuitive brain to death just to think of doing it. Somewhere I hope others to check out the math from my very explanations itself.
Others have done the math. It is not that hard.

For a simple, nonmath based example of why we know that you are wrong all it takes is a simple balloon. If the air pressure was what caused people to call we would see two things. First it would call at the same rate as a bowling ball since the surface area would be the same. And second if there was more force on one side than the other it would distort the shape of the balloon.
 
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