Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[Wildswanderer]

A false equivalence fallacy what a surprise. The US has one of the highest rates of gun crime, and gun deaths in the world. So it's hilarious to claim anecdotal evidence from one state, over a 4 year period, that ignores all other relevant factors is the exception to the rule.

No, it is the rule. Stricter gun laws usually mean higher crime rates. How strict are Chicago gun laws? How many gun crimes do they have?

 

[F1fan]

It's not just Maine.
In fact the top most dangerous cities to live in also have the strictest enforcement of gun laws…..and have been under Democratic city administrations for decades..

If only democrats were allowed to pass gun control in those cities instead of republicans nationally. DC does bans guns, and thank God, because who knows what would have happened with all those Republicans who attacked the Capitol if they had guns.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's not just Maine.
In fact the top most dangerous cities to live in also have the strictest enforcement of gun laws…..and have been under Democratic city administrations for decades..

Did you not see how your claim was refuted by the graphic that I posted. You cherry picked a state out of the norm. That is all. Once again, don't you think that their might be another factor that you are forgetting? Besides being Democratic what do those cities have in common?

 

[Wildswanderer]

It obviously isn't any such thing.

He has a human face and form. What do you think he is, a bird?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, it is the rule. Stricter gun laws usually mean higher crime rates. How strict are Chicago gun laws? How many gun crimes do they have?

Wrong again. Check out the graphic that I posted. You appear to have your cause and effect backwards.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Did you not see how your claim was refuted by the graphic that I posted. You cherry picked a state out of the norm. That is all. Once again, don't you think that their might be another factor that you are forgetting? Besides being Democratic what do those cities have in common?

Strict gun laws.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He has a human face and form. What do you think he is, a bird?

It is such a pity that we do not have fetuses from our great ape cousins. I doubt if at that age you could pick out a human from a chimp. I would be willing to bet on it, but I cannot find such pictures. Which makes sense. We have a lot more exposure to human fetuses than we do to chimp fetuses.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The claim was that it was a baby. It was not.

He certainly is. Seriously would you be ok with smashing him on the sidewalk? Or is it only ok because you don't have to see it happening?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Strict gun laws.

Nope, that was already in the mix. Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He certainly is. Seriously would you be ok with smashing him on the sidewalk? Or is it only ok because you don't have to see it happening?

Please, you could not tell the difference between a chimp, a human, and a gorilla at that age.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nope, that was already in the mix. Try again.

Please, you could not tell the difference between a chimp, a human, and a gorilla at that age.

No answer, I see.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nope, that was already in the mix. Try again.

 

[F1fan]

Well, to be fair, he was talking about crime in the US only and gun control. But the sources that I have seen refute that claim too. It is not as simple as he says. There are some very low gun control states, such as Maine that have low homicide rates, but then there are states with much stronger gun control that also have very low homicide rates. But the states with the highest homicide rates also tend to have lower gun control. In the graph I posted the top four homicide rate states had one state with 3 stars, meaning moderate gun control, one state with 4 stars meaning low gun control, and two states with 5 stars, meaning almost no gun control. His claim does not hold up when one looks at the entire country. He did what so many people do to "prove" that he was right. He cherry picked one example.

This is what I notice about the right wing in the USA. There political arguments have taken a queue from creationism in that they only pick select data points and ignore the rest, and then lie about the conclusions.

 

[Viker]

No, it is the rule. Stricter gun laws usually mean higher crime rates. How strict are Chicago gun laws? How many gun crimes do they have?

Louisville (Kentucky) has lax gun laws and high rates of gun violence. So what? The people in Chicago can still get their hands on illegal firearms. There seems to be a surplus of mass produced firearms in black market circulation. They make it to dense population centers and then disaster strikes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No answer, I see.

Incorrect. I gave you answers. You did not like them. So as it stands without any refutation at all you are shown to be wrong.

 

[F1fan]

Louisville (Kentucky) has lax gun laws and high rates of gun violence. So what? The people in Chicago can still get their hands on illegal firearms. There seems to be a surplus of mass produced firearms in black market circulation. They make it to dense population centers and then disaster strikes.

The BATF and law enforcement don't track guns until after they are used in crimes. If they can find the original buyer he can just say he sold it to some guy he used to work with, and can't remember his last name. No laws broken, but a gun that is lost in no man's land. Lots of these guns. No one knows who has them.

 

[InChrist]

The first pregnancy changes a woman's body drastically. It can also be very uncomfortable. Meanwhile this is not murder. It is not even murder according to the Bible which seems to have no problems with abortion for the average person.

Thanks for the brief commentary on pregnancy. I thought you might have had something more insightful to share. As a woman whose been pregnant and had three kids, with daughters now who have been pregnant and the grandkids, I assume I know more about pregnancy than you do. You may have your opinions about pregnancy or the baby inside a woman, but I would have considered ending the life growing inside myself to be murder. I think it is murder according to the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for the brief commentary on pregnancy. I thought you might have had something more insightful to share. As a woman whose been pregnant and had three kids, with daughters now who have been pregnant and the grandkids, I assume I know more about pregnancy than you do. You may have your opinions about pregnancy or the baby inside a woman, but I would have considered ending the life growing inside myself to be murder. I think it is murder according to the Bible.

That is your opinion and no one is forcing you to have an abortion. Your opinion should not matter very much when you want to tell someone else what to do. And you are probably misinterpreting your Bible. The common translation of some verses change after the Right to Life movement began. The took one verse that clearly supported abortion and changed it to make it look as if it opposed it. The God of the Old Testament did not seem to think that fetuses counted as humans. That did not occur until the first breath.. AKA the breath of life.

 

[InChrist]

And that is why your religious perspective isn't valid as a means to create laws and rights, nor prohibit them, as the Christian extremists on the Supreme Court might do. Separation of church and state, not on the right. Unconstitutional.

I don’t know what my religious beliefs or any religious beliefs have to with it. It just seems like there should be laws against brutally dismembering a baby and ripping it out of its mother’s womb.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don’t know what my religious beliefs or any religious beliefs have to with it. It just seems like there should be laws against brutally dismembering a baby and ripping it out of its mother’s womb.

But that never happens. Ripping up a baby is illegal the last time that I checked, even though the Bible puts no worth on a baby until it is at least a month old.