Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[Wildswanderer]

Only when it's 'underground'. Having it Licenced and regulated makes it safer.

Doesn't make it safe. You obviously don't care about human trafficking.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I'd love to see you cuddling up to a 12 week old fetus. It's about 2.5 inches from crown to rump, and weighs about half an ounce.

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That's obviously a human child. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how it doesn't work that way in real life. The places where you can carry a gun without a permit actually have less crime.
Four years after allowing the universal ‘concealed carry’ law, Maine was rated the safest state in the nation for crime.

Sorry, cherry picking one example is not very strong evidence. Have you ever thought that it might have something to do with Maine's relatively low population density combined with its education levels? High population densities appear to be a major factor in high crime rates. You are not controlling all of the variables properly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nonsense. Before a baby can smell, taste, see or hear, he’s already developed his sense of touch. And you want to claim he can't feel?

And that is almost certainly after twenty weeks. Touch is a more subtle sense that pain and there are studies that show when a fetus first feels pain.

 

[Sheldon]

Of course there is. What is a preemie if not an infant?

Prior to being born, we are talking about a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or foetus.

An infant is a young child, or baby.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's obviously a human child. Thanks for the confirmation.

Once again, not even according to the Bible. The Bible does not even place a value on a child until it is a month old. The Bible says that priest can do forced chemical abortions on unwilling wives. The Bible does not seem to care about the average fetus at all.

 

[Sheldon]

Funny how it doesn't work that way in real life.

Funny how it does.

The places where you can carry a gun without a permit actually have less crime.

BS

Four years after allowing the universal ‘concealed carry’ law, Maine was rated the safest state in the nation for crime.

A false equivalence fallacy what a surprise. The US has one of the highest rates of gun crime, and gun deaths in the world. So it's hilarious to claim anecdotal evidence from one state, over a 4 year period, that ignores all other relevant factors is the exception to the rule.

Quod erat demonstrandum...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how it doesn't work that way in real life. The places where you can carry a gun without a permit actually have less crime.
Four years after allowing the universal ‘concealed carry’ law, Maine was rated the safest state in the nation for crime.

Not true. For example we have this:

That shows the relationship between gun friendly states, the more stars the more friendly, and the homicide rate for the state from guns. I do not see the relationship that you claim.

Comparing Gun Control Measures to Gun-Related Homicides

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Of course, if someone wants to make the moronic decision to risk their lives then that is one thing, but if they want to also take away the freedom of others by risking their lives with their ignorant stupidity, that is quite another.

You take higher risks every day and never think twice about them.

You love to make BS claims up don't you, however you miss the point as well, you can jump off the top of the Empire State building with a crucifix, mumbling a prayer if it makes you happy, where others will object is the risk such idiocy poses for the people your splattered corpse will hurt or kill when gravity takes its inevitable effect.

Don't get a vaccine, knock yourself out, French kiss a Covid patient for all I care, but don't start pi****g and moaning when employers who have a legal duty of care to their employees won't employ you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how it does.



BS



A false equivalence fallacy what a surprise. The US has one of the highest rates of gun crime, and gun deaths in the world. So it's hilarious to claim anecdotal evidence from one state, over a 4 year period, that ignores all other relevant factors is the exception to the rule.

Quod erat demonstrandum...

Well, to be fair, he was talking about crime in the US only and gun control. But the sources that I have seen refute that claim too. It is not as simple as he says. There are some very low gun control states, such as Maine that have low homicide rates, but then there are states with much stronger gun control that also have very low homicide rates. But the states with the highest homicide rates also tend to have lower gun control. In the graph I posted the top four homicide rate states had one state with 3 stars, meaning moderate gun control, one state with 4 stars meaning low gun control, and two states with 5 stars, meaning almost no gun control. His claim does not hold up when one looks at the entire country. He did what so many people do to "prove" that he was right. He cherry picked one example.

 

[Sheldon]

That's obviously a human child. Thanks for the confirmation.

It obviously isn't any such thing.

 

[Stevicus]

Not true. For example we have this:

That shows the relationship between gun friendly states, the more stars the more friendly, and the homicide rate for the state from guns. I do not see the relationship that you claim.

Comparing Gun Control Measures to Gun-Related Homicides

The state population figures in the table in this graphic seem way off. Are they multiplying the population by the number of years covered in this data?

I'm somewhat surprised that Arizona is not in the top ten here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It obviously isn't any such thing.

We have plenty of images of all stages of human development. We do not have nearly as many of the development of other great apes. My Google Fu is not strong today, but I have a strong suspicion that most here would be hard pressed to seen any difference between a human fetus and a chimpanzee fetus at 12 weeks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The state population figures in the table in this graphic seem way off. Are they multiplying the population by the number of years covered in this data?

I'm somewhat surprised that Arizona is not in the top ten here.

They are. I will have to look into that. I used that site because of the graphic provided, but the claims are repeated in other articles without pretty pictures.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The state population figures in the table in this graphic seem way off. Are they multiplying the population by the number of years covered in this data?

I'm somewhat surprised that Arizona is not in the top ten here.

I see what he did. The authors of that article took a 5 year study and compiled it. So it added up all of the gun deaths over five years and it added up all of the states' populations over those five years. That evens out the deaths so if a state had a spike in one year it would not prejudice its score, but it gives terrible populations and even gun death rates. Its claims still appear to be accurate once you make up for that error.

Very nice catch of that error in the graphic.

 

[F1fan]

Well, there are some laws in this country and just about every country against murdering another, for the protection of life. Why should the lives of pre-born infants be excluded.?

Because some have defects. Because some have developmental problems and will die anyway. And since you don't want to legislate morality, because giving birth to another child will cause serious problems in the woman's life that she is unable to resolve.

Plus, it's legal to defend yourself against an attacker. It can be legal to kill them if they threaten your life. So absolute morals? Not in our society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For one thing, I don’t tell people what they can and cannot do. I can tell someone I think murdering their neighbor is wrong, but can I stop someone from doing so? No. We have laws against murder in this country. I didn’t come up with those. Do you want laws against murder rescinded?

And what does pregnancy do to a woman, from your view?

The first pregnancy changes a woman's body drastically. It can also be very uncomfortable. Meanwhile this is not murder. It is not even murder according to the Bible which seems to have no problems with abortion for the average person.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sorry, cherry picking one example is not very strong evidence. Have you ever thought that it might have something to do with Maine's relatively low population density combined with its education levels? High population densities appear to be a major factor in high crime rates. You are not controlling all of the variables properly.

It's not just Maine.
In fact the top most dangerous cities to live in also have the strictest enforcement of gun laws…..and have been under Democratic city administrations for decades..

 

[F1fan]

Well, if abortion involves killing and removing little legs, arms, and all the human body parts, then it’s a baby in my perspective.

And that is why your religious perspective isn't valid as a means to create laws and rights, nor prohibit them, as the Christian extremists on the Supreme Court might do. Separation of church and state, not on the right. Unconstitutional.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Do you know for a fact that God the Creator “murders” because He wants to?

Well, he certainly doesn't have to. Who would there be to force him?