Father Heathen
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So you do support illegalizing alcohol then, unless you're a hypocrite; it's a blatant double standard.
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Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?
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Father Heathen
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Your "scripture" is irrelevant regarding secular law, and are you implying that children born out of wedlock deserve less?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yabba dabba gabagool.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Guns are objects. They are as safe as the individual using them. There's no such thing as gun violence, only violent people.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Stats say otherwise. Most people cannot last on a vegetarian diet.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Alcohol is already legal. The problem with both is mis use. Pot that is removed from it's harmful effects supposedly has some medical benefits. Same with wine. But most people mis use them for the high.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Total rubbish. 14% of the UK population follow a vegetarian diet, about 7.2 million people. Supermarkets wouldn't be falling over themselves increasing their plant-based offering (as they all are) if it was a short-term thing.
On a personal note - I've been a vegetarian for nigh on 40 years, I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor, I've never spent a night in a hospital and I complete half marathons in faster times than the average for my age group. But hey, I must be short of protein.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
False. Where's your info about that?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So for a picture at 2 weeks that is the same as right before normal birth, because she magically gets a soul by God. Is that it?
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Guns are safe until they get into the wrong hands.
There is violence with guns. Don't be ridiculous.
This is a major problem with evangelicals and the political right, you've adopted such a rigid set of positions on social and legal matters that you have no idea what the basis is and was. The pro-life moves,ent has always been religious. That you aren't aware of this illustrates how you've adopted another belief from your social experience and haven't thought it through.
See how your depiction of this is misleading and emotional? This sort of violent imagery is what happens when abortion is banned professionally and women are forced into abortions in vans parked in a dark alley. No sanitation, no medical clinic, a lack of professional methods and medications.
Notice how you anti-choice people never acknowledge the hardships your idealistic views will cause? You only look at the narrow and idealistic and extreme far-right Christian belief about life being sacred in the womb. You folks don't care. You care about power and an idea that makes you look moral when you are far from being moral people. You like appearing moral, but it is idealistic and superficial. You don't allow any thinking about the consequences of your position. You ignore how your ideals do not work in the real world. Maybe you and your life can function is an idealistic, religious world, but the rest of social doesn't. That is why the USA was founded as as secular nation, to allow a broad range of freedoms and no religious tests or limits can be applied on free citizens. the far right is unconstitutional in this respect.
Have you ever explained what your fellow extremists are going to do with all the orphaned babies? How about mothers who go bankrupt and are evicted with a new born? Where are your calls for the state building housing for all these disrupted lives and homeless families? Not a word. Nothing. You want to impose a ban on abortion and offer not a single policy to cope and solve the problems it will cause. THAT is you immorality. You ignore it because you have adopted a larger ideological view that says less spending by the state, lower tax collection, fewer social services, and all this does is put more preusse on poor women to seek desperate options in a social that is hostile towards them.
If you want to present yourself as being moral then you'd better show yourself to be a moral person, and not just a superficial fake who is an empty moral vessel for the political and religious right.
If you start presenting your solutions to the negative results of your anti-choice policies and THEN you can claim to be a moral person. I have serious doubts that you have ever thought about the consequences of your political and religious views on reproductive rights. Prove me wrong. Explain how the Christian extremists in the USA are going to step up and take care of orphaned babies and homeless mothers and their babies. Who is paying for the babies born with birth defects? Who is going to adopt these high cost and time consuming children until they die from natural causes? Will you? Will you adopt a child with serious medical problems and need full time care at home? I want to hear that side of the debate.
And with the abortion pill the termination is an easy, safe, natural process. The pill just makes a woman's body do what happens naturally quite often, and that is the rejection of an implanted egg in the uterus.
Of course the far right Christian extremists in positions of power in some states are trying to ban this pill being available to free citizens. They are also looking to forbid the citizens of ban states from traveling outside of the state for abortion services, thus making them wards or prisoners to the state if they get pregnant.
The far right is getting more and more extreme, and out of hand.
Newsflash, new borns and children ARE required to be vaccinated by many states. Call that requirement "force" if you want to make it sound bad, but it is what civilized and well educated citizens do for their children and society as a whole.
For the exact same reasons that killing in self defense is excluded.
The Bible is the Big Book of Multiple Choice and you'll see what you want to see in it, but:
- the Mosaic Law penalty for murder was execution, but the penalty for causing a miscarriage by assaulting a pregnant person was a fine.
- in the census of the Jewish tribes, God instructed that infant boys under one month of age (and girls or women of any age) should not be counted.
So it's there if you choose to take your blinders off.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
99 percent of the world's population eat meat.
Over three quarters of those who tried to go vegan or vegetarian don't last a year. Most people cannot sustain a vegetarian diet. It's basically a fad. But if it works for you, have at it.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
With sex (transactional or otherwise), there's no problems as long as all participants are informed, responsible, consenting adults (this excludes rape and trafficking, obviously). So again, what's the problem?
You're being very charitable by responding to @Wildswanderer as if he isn't just pulling this stuff out of his butt.