Subduction Zone
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You might want to take some time to read the Texas State Republican Party Platform. It is an interesting read since they seem to say out loud what other Republicans don't dare say:
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Is the Republican Party suffering a complete moral collapse?
- Thread starter Evangelicalhumanist
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Outside of a few they're not lining up to denounce the exhibited anti-semitism. So to HELL with them.
Not in its entirety. Just their guiding principles, which are generally enough to make me want to hurl chunks.
Was there a particular year or statement you are directing me to?
Fair enough. I think polarisation is one of the bigger existential threats facing the US at the moment.
Subduction Zone
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I included a link to it in the first post on this page.
The principles appear unchanged since the version I'd read (2020).
So my thoughts remain unchanged.
Basically; Yuck. But not immoral.
Subduction Zone
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They are pretty clear with their anti-gay and anti-trans agenda.
But not a "complete" moral collapse.
PureX
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The fact both republicans and the GOP are all going to now blame their total moral collapse, to the point of insurrection and denying citizens the right to vote, on Trump, only serves to exemplify that the collapse is and has been party and supporter wide, and that Trump was only a recent symptom of it. Not the cause.
Might I remind you that the shift of the two parties was anything but a "recent collapse." See, for example: The Great Switch: How the Republican & Democratic Parties Flipped Ideologies
Your "party of Lincoln" trope was shallow at best.
Right off the top: "Our first priority of focus is Banning Democrat Chairs"
"The Democrat chairs fundraise off their chairmanships and use that money to defeat Republicans during elections."
This, of course, shows an interest in being fair to everyone -- except stinky Democrats! See, Republican chairs fundraise off their chairmanships, too, and use that money to defeat Democrats during elections. This defines "fairness" as: when we do it, it's fair, when they do it, it's not fair.
Most of us learned better in the bloody schoolyard.
I have to say, it seems to me that if anybody, or any party, can shift what they "stand for" 180 degrees, then they don't really "stand for" much at all, do they?
The dominant Republican ethic is immoral in every place it can be if one assumes American values (democracy, egalitarianism, church-state separation, tolerance, and the rule of law) and that the purpose of government is that which is outlined in the Constitution's Preamble. The party's only principles seem to be to acquire, consolidate, and retain power at any cost to serve wealthy interests whatever the cost to mankind or the environment.
No, he's not. There's also Graham, Cruz, Hawley, Johnson, Cotton, Scott, McConnell, Paul, McCarthy, Jordan, Clyde, Gosar, Gohmert, Gaetz, Boebert, Greene, Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and Kemp. And tens of millions of people that vote for them.
We know why the Republicans are abandoning Trump, and it's not due to finding Trump immoral. One can rule out the insurrection being a problem to them by looking at history. They objected to Trump being impeached for it and rallied to prevent conviction. Although the likes of McConnell, McCarthy, and Graham initially spoke against insurrection, withing days they were back to licking Trump's boot. The Senate Republicans refused to cooperate to form a bipartisan committee to look into January 6th, and the House did everything in its power to prevent and then discredit an analogous select committee.
Trump's crime was costing them the White House, both houses of Congress (the Senate twice), and most recently, their failed red wave. As soon as they saw that he's now toothless, they bailed on him. Look at Pence's behavior. We see him becoming progressively less silent about Trump in just the last few weeks.
Yes... with millions of voters, many will have voted for people.
if someone wins at 50.1% - that would mean millions that voted at 49.9% wouldn't have their preference.
I'm sure you have a point here though I can't see it.
As I've said, it could be Trump's increasingly
in-your-face immorality that led to his weakness
which led to his loss of power.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I would say it is as aren't resisting that, aren't shooting down the Qanon garbage, and, yeah, they are wanting to take it upon themselves to step in between a doctor and patient to determine what treatments are available due entirely for reasons of their own personal feelings.
I would say that's a collapse.
Oh, you partisans....always seeing one's
foes in the most extreme way possible.
Not all Republicans are morally bankrupt.
Neither are all Democrats.
All socialists are....uh....let's set that aside.
Yup.
Are they my morals? No.
Are they without morals? No.
I suspect some read this OP as being a chance to judge their moral system. If I read it that way, I'd answer more as you are.
Yes, I know you said it, which is why I rebutted it. I provided an evidenced counterargument that that is not what happened. You addressed none of that evidence. As you noted, you repeated yourself instead.
The Democrats were offended by the insurrection, not the Republicans, which is why Democrats denounced it while Republicans called it a nothing burger (peaceful protest, a congressional tour) or were silent, and did everything in their power to support Trump and change the subject when it was about holding him and his enablers in Congress and out accountable.
That's not how people who were offended by Trump's insurrection behave. Such people support efforts to ensure that those responsible are held accountable and seek to understand what happened to prevent a future occurrence - like the Democrats. The Republicans merely want this all to go away, and after seeing how the midterms went - how Trump saddled them with the worst candidates because he thought that they would be loyal to him understand that Trump is no longer powerful enough to exact revenge on them or primary them, since his endorsements lose.
These people aren't difficult to understand or predict.