Alceste
Vagabond
Anti-miscegenation was marketed pretty heavily but went out of fashion anyway. Our hormones are immune to persuasion.
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Is there a difference between positive and negative eugenics?
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Anti-miscegenation was marketed pretty heavily but went out of fashion anyway. Our hormones are immune to persuasion.
well...I don't think so. This famous Swedish man refused to have children with this woman, (his wife) because she was Mediterranean
Regardless of whether or not this anecdote is true, the reproductive choices of a single pair of individuals would be better described as mate choice than eugenics. If you somehow convinced a large segment of a population to reject Mediterraneans as mates, then I'd call it eugenics. I'd also probably have to call that a little racist. XD
It is true. She asked him for a child, but he, persuaded by his mother, told her he didn't want to have a child with her. because she was not Nordic.
well...Eugenics is not racism. The Swedes have the right to breed with each other, so they can identify with their children. How can they identify with dark-haired people?
Are you sure?
Why on Earth would anyone marry and then decide that he does not think his wife's genes are ethnically acceptable?
Why on Earth would anyone marry and then decide that he does not think his wife's genes are ethnically acceptable?
Poeticus
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What? There are people who do not want to have Mediterranean-looking children?
I assume they have vision troubles?
You assumed correctly, Luis. The beauty that can be found in countries like Italy and Greece tame any and every competition. Except Ukraine. For some freaking reason, the women of Ukraine are too pretty. Way too pretty. Oh, and Hay's just blind.
there is a big difference between having sex with a person you're attracted to and having a child with them.
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Poeticus
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He's an idiot. :yes:
Maybe so - although it does not speak too highly of one's character - but it just seems so wrong to marry before attempting to find out whether there is basic compability of expectations about having offspring.
The only scenario I can think of that somewhat excuses him is if either or both of them did not want to have children together at the moment when they married, then she changed her mind.
Sure, please.
well...maybe they hadn't talked about that.
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I feel like I'm about the only one concerned that women with the highest academic and professional success have a below average birthrate. To me this bodes badly for the future of the human gene pool; reduction of the inherited traits that make one successful academically and professionally.
I'm thinking we should structure things (taxes, insurances, etc.) to make it easier for these women to have more kids. And structure social programs to make it disadvantageous for people without sufficient finances to have kids.
There may not be a whole lot we can do so I'm pessimistic about the future on this issue.
I'm thinking we should structure things (taxes, insurances, etc.) to make it easier for these women to have more kids. And structure social programs to make it disadvantageous for people without sufficient finances to have kids.
There may not be a whole lot we can do so I'm pessimistic about the future on this issue.
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Isn't this racism though? We're all humans, no matter our colours. They're just mutations in pigments.
I don't understand how this has anything to do with identifying with each other? My husband and I don't have the same hair and eye colours. It's no big deal...
That man is... Very strange to say the least.
EDIT: Herp DERP! Didn't read eugenics refer to breeding... My brain processed this as "DNA treatments and so on"... Well carry on!
I'm not sure I approve of eugenics as in breeding. I think it sounds racist.
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It sounds like that the idea of childless women scares you.
don't worry....the human race is not threatened by extinction.
and one more thing: ignorance is not inheritable. Poor people's children can become presidents.
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Shad
Veteran Member
I believe there should be restrictions on what people can do in regards to medical applications and groups which organization which seek to impose laws such as sterilization. While the example of OP is disease one could argue a view regarding genetics and violence. Although environment does play a role as well. I am reminded of Nazi eugenics programs, eugenics societies of the 19/20th centuries and The Time Machine.
Hello all you Elois and Morlocks!
Hello all you Elois and Morlocks!
It took until now for me to realize that it is Bjorn Borg, the famous tennis champion, who she married.
I don't think I can conclude too much beyond that their marriage does not seem to have worked. Between the video and the Wikipedia articles, it is obvious that their troubles were considerable. Maybe somehow they did fail to consider the subject before marrying, I dunno. Their story is complicated.
In any case, without even having heard his take on the matter (and lacking reason to expect either of them to be particularly open and through when talking to the general public about what is so clearly a very personal matter), there is really very little to conclude here.
Not at all. The decline of genes that tend a person to academic and professional success saddens me.
That comment makes me think you didn't understand my post.Intelligence for academic and professional success has inherited abilities involved.
I understand the difference of positive and negative eugenics being that negative eugenics is things like compulsory sterilization and euthanasia, and positive eugenics is things like encouraging certain groups to mate but not imposing force.
Hmm, apparently it's not really defined as a difference in force: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hmm, apparently it's not really defined as a difference in force: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I figure there is far more of environmental than genetic participation leading to academic and professional success, so yes, I am not worried about that.
There's no evidence that things like professional success have genetic correlation. That has everything to do with society, not biology.
As on most subjects we differ. I think heredity is of underrated importance.