is there a god?

[Miracles in the dark]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man? And then of course God send the flood that killed thousands of men, women and children. After that, well we know what happened to the Egyptians. How many plagues did they have to go through? five ? six? even more? And then of course the killing of the first born of Egypt? was all this necessary? infanticide is what it was. And then somewhere down the line - Hitler. Who killed how many Jews? 6 million I believe? why? what possible reason could there be for allowing 6 million people to be killed?
of course then there are the horrible things that happen day to day. But then we are told that Jesus came to die for our sins. But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man? And then of course God send the flood that killed thousands of men, women and children. After that, well we know what happened to the Egyptians. How many plagues did they have to go through? five ? six? even more? And then of course the killing of the first born of Egypt? was all this necessary? infanticide is what it was. And then somewhere down the line - Hitler. Who killed how many Jews? 6 million I believe? why? what possible reason could there be for allowing 6 million people to be killed?
of course then there are the horrible things that happen day to day. But then we are told that Jesus came to die for our sins. But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

Questions are great, but there's no easy answer. It took me about 6 years to find the answers I was seeking. Might take you more, or less.

I suggest lots of reading and research! For me subjects like theology, ancient history, and philosophy were very useful. Others take other paths. Take what resonates with you, run with it, and explore where it leads.

Also, try not to focus on anger or negativity too much... It's a pit fall, and a time waster.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

Nice analogy.

Yes, I agree.

The story in a nutshell is that god sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for a doomed system that he himself is ultimately responsible for.

 

[Sunstone]

Is there a god? My ex certainly thought so! She thought I was god. She'd cry out when we were making love: "God! God!". And sometimes, she cry out, "Steve! Steve!". Then every now and then, "Bob!". I assume she was a Trinitarian.

 

[PureX]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man?

"Satan" is the mythical representation of humanity's cleverness, selfishness, and self-will. God "allowed" these traits within us because without them we would have been nothing more than biological robots. With them, we may fail and destroy ourselves, but we may also learn to overcome them, and truly fulfill our place on Creation.

So now it's up to us.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man? And then of course God send the flood that killed thousands of men, women and children. After that, well we know what happened to the Egyptians. How many plagues did they have to go through? five ? six? even more? And then of course the killing of the first born of Egypt? was all this necessary? infanticide is what it was. And then somewhere down the line - Hitler. Who killed how many Jews? 6 million I believe? why? what possible reason could there be for allowing 6 million people to be killed?
of course then there are the horrible things that happen day to day. But then we are told that Jesus came to die for our sins. But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

Peace.

Ground yourself, knowing that somebody has cared about you. Some people in the past have given up happiness, because they wanted a your life to be better. Look at the problems in the world, injustices and things that seem wrong. To some people these are so unacceptable that they can't imagine letting them continue. Some are willing to commit even to death to change those things and will work hard and long. Many people in the past transformed themselves to make themselves into a bridge to our improved present situation.

That is why. It has been all about you and I and making things better, so cherish your life and try to make things better for the next generations.

As for your theological questions there are too many in your post, but I have told you the big 'Why'. That's my answer.

 

[Miracles in the dark]

Nice analogy.

Yes, I agree.

The story in a nutshell is that god sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for a doomed system that he himself is ultimately responsible for.

 

[Miracles in the dark]

thanks! glad you liked my Analogy ! yeah! I mean this whole thing is crazy. I mean so many Christians have told me that god has a reason for letting everything happen. What could God's reason (hidden plan) possibly be for allowing six millions Jews to be tortured and killed in Concentration camps? Once prisoner once wrote on the wall - "IF there is a God he will have to beg for my forgiveness........."

 

[Miracles in the dark]

"Satan" is the mythical representation of humanity's cleverness, selfishness, and self-will. God "allowed" these traits within us because without them we would have been nothing more than biological robots. With them, we may fail and destroy ourselves, but we may also learn to overcome them, and truly fulfill our place on Creation.

So now it's up to us.

 

[Miracles in the dark]

I like what you have to say. What you say makes a lot of sense. Satan being a mythical representation. That is an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing it with me.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man? And then of course God send the flood that killed thousands of men, women and children. After that, well we know what happened to the Egyptians. How many plagues did they have to go through? five ? six? even more? And then of course the killing of the first born of Egypt? was all this necessary? infanticide is what it was. And then somewhere down the line - Hitler. Who killed how many Jews? 6 million I believe? why? what possible reason could there be for allowing 6 million people to be killed?
of course then there are the horrible things that happen day to day. But then we are told that Jesus came to die for our sins. But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

" Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail?"

I don't see in Quran that G-d allowed/gave permission to Satan, I understand, to tempt Adam and Eve.
We commit wrongs ourselves. Don't we, please? Don't we want free will, please? Then why blame G-d for wrongs done by us? Right ,please?

Regards
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[20:116]
وَ لَقَدۡ عَہِدۡنَاۤ اِلٰۤی اٰدَمَ مِنۡ قَبۡلُ فَنَسِیَ وَ لَمۡ نَجِدۡ لَہٗ عَزۡمًا ﴿۱۱۶﴾٪
And verily, We had made a covenant with Adam beforehand, but he forgot, and We found in him no determination to disobey.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 20: TaHa

 

[MNoBody]

God is the modern spelling for Gad, the ancient deity which represented luck, fortune, fate
it has been a very clever ruse to substitute the titles....so people crying out OMG are saying oh my luck[fate]
people suck at spells.

 

[Miracles in the dark]

" Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail?"

I don't see in Quran that G-d allowed/gave permission to Satan, I understand, to tempt Adam and Eve.
We commit wrongs ourselves. Don't we, please? Don't we want free will, please? Then why blame G-d for wrongs done by us? Right ,please?

Regards
_________________
[20:116]
وَ لَقَدۡ عَہِدۡنَاۤ اِلٰۤی اٰدَمَ مِنۡ قَبۡلُ فَنَسِیَ وَ لَمۡ نَجِدۡ لَہٗ عَزۡمًا ﴿۱۱۶﴾٪
And verily, We had made a covenant with Adam beforehand, but he forgot, and We found in him no determination to disobey.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 20: TaHa

 

[Miracles in the dark]

I like what you have to say. The spiritual world is a reality that very few of us understand. The temptation of Adam and Eve was a spiritual event. Which is why I may not understand it clearly.

 

[Goddess Kit]

The great thing about having questions is to understand the inconsistencies in religion so that you realize how fictional it is rather than go the irrational route of acceptance where one becomes a zombie to reality.

 

[Muffled]

Why did God allows Satan to tempt Adam and Eve knowing that they would fail? I mean everything was going so well! They loved God and God loved them. Then Why? Why? did God allows this temptation to happen, which ultimately caused the downfall of man? And then of course God send the flood that killed thousands of men, women and children. After that, well we know what happened to the Egyptians. How many plagues did they have to go through? five ? six? even more? And then of course the killing of the first born of Egypt? was all this necessary? infanticide is what it was. And then somewhere down the line - Hitler. Who killed how many Jews? 6 million I believe? why? what possible reason could there be for allowing 6 million people to be killed?
of course then there are the horrible things that happen day to day. But then we are told that Jesus came to die for our sins. But is that not similar to burning a house, setting it on fire and then rushing in to rescue the people inside? I don't understand.

I believe you can join the club because I believe no-one understands except God Himself.

 

[Muffled]

Nice analogy.

Yes, I agree.

The story in a nutshell is that god sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for a doomed system that he himself is ultimately responsible for.

I believe it is false. God created the house to be perfect. However the fire started it was not God who started it. I have no problem understanding that God would wish to restore the house to perfection.

 

[Muffled]

"Satan" is the mythical representation of humanity's cleverness, selfishness, and self-will. God "allowed" these traits within us because without them we would have been nothing more than biological robots. With them, we may fail and destroy ourselves, but we may also learn to overcome them, and truly fulfill our place on Creation.

So now it's up to us.

I believe your idea about Satan is fantasy. The Bible clearly lays the blame for the fall of angels and man at his feet.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe your idea about Satan is fantasy. The Bible clearly lays the blame for the fall of angels and man at his feet.

Why would your god set up an option for humans to fail?

Freedom of choice shouldn't be to a believer's determinate but for their benefit. Ideally.

 

[PureX]

I believe your idea about Satan is fantasy. The Bible clearly lays the blame for the fall of angels and man at his feet.

The Bible is a collection of mythical, metaphorical, and symbolic, religious stories intended to keep it's readers "grappling" with (contemplating, discussing, debating, and considering) their relationship to and with an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, and inexplicable God, that is beyond human comprehension. It was never intended to be read like a history textbook. And to do so is to miss the point and the meaning of the text.