Is there any punishment in Islam for breaking a wife's arm?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I'll keep it short and sweet:

Islam as is, has failed humanity because it's in severe corrupt form.
Islam as it was meant to be, is unknown in this age, and has no official form in public.

Though that may be true, from interactions with Muslims, it seems to be doing quite well in households for the most part and among individuals, and they seem quite happy and satisfied with it, they say their prayers, fast, and make jokes, and mainly this "wife arm breaking" issue does not come up, and if it does, clearly the aggressor who wrongfully injures their own wife or anyone is in the wrong and should be stopped and punished and pay for their crimes and give back for them in restitution as well if possible, duh (the duh is to freaking Richerd).

 

[Richerd92]

Yeah, but if the KooRayn is sooo "complete" why doesn't it predict that Richerd would make this post or be tricked by Allah into making Audiobooks of the Hadiths that will only serve Muslims lol, his hatred has driven him to become the Muslim's slave (tends to happen).

If the KooooooRaaaaaaayn is Soooo coooomplaaaaayt, why doesn't it talk about how make bicycles? Pretty sure Allah knew about Bicycles, but failed to tell us how to construct Bicycles? Sounds more like the Devil to me!

The Founder of the New Cult of Common Sense, Richerd, can't even figure out the answer to their own question!

Hey Richerd, why don't you try answering your question yourself? Why do you think that nowhere is it mentioned specifically about breaking the wife's arm?

The Bible at least covered what to do when you send your concubine out to get gang raped. You come out of hiding in the morning and kick her a bit to see that she is dead, then chop her body up into bits and mail it to all your colleagues. Duh! Why didn't your common sense come up with that one? Maybe because we need GOD to tell us what to do in case we snap our wife's arm on purpose, and when GOD hasn't specifically mentioned it, we are literally lost on the matter, our eyes go crossed, we start drooling from everywhere, malfunction, malfunction, malfunction, where is Richerd! He would know what to do! Oh no, he is busy making audio books of the freaking Hadiths!

Well the bible in the old testament do have the whole if you rape a unmarried virgin you have to pay a fine of 30 silver and marry the rapist. So it has its share of messed up stuff too. Gonna assume the argument is virgins are holy or something therefor this is their crime (which it isnt lol).. still messed up

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Well the bible in the old testament do have the whole if you rape a unmarried virgin you have to pay a fine of 30 silver and marry the rapist. So it has its share of messed up stuff too. Gonna assume the argument is virgins are holy or something therefor this is their crime (which it isnt lol).. still messed up

I prefer virgins because its gross to me that a girl I want to be intimate with has been doing the same with some other guy! Even if she was raped, but her being legit raped is less disturbing perhaps as her being all meow meow with some other man! Doesn't matter if it happened before me!

The Qur'an has no such laws, and the Historical Islamic Rulers for the most part seemed to have allowed communities to practice their religions and follow their religious laws mainly, so the Jews could basically keep to their Jewish laws under the Islamic rule, which the Christians tended to be more persecutory about more often.

Anyway, the bottom line is, you don't care, and we don't have the button available for you that will simply wipe out all the Muslims and make the world less polluted with them. So if you can wake up and smell the curry, you're in a world full of them and there is nothing you can do about it.

I think what you should learn to do, is how to actually get along with them, and asking them why their Koorayn or Hadooths don't talk about them breaking their wive's arm isn't really a great ice(arm)breaker to start with.

You hate em, but they ain't going nowhere, your attempts are like a weak gas, one that dissipates very quickly. Thanks for your hard work completing audio books of the Hadith, that is a great resource for people, and an educational service, which makes it pretty funny that you were the one who was convinced to do it. I think Allah is controlling your mind.

All the Muslim Governments you are sooo supposedly worried about (would you shed a single tear if they all suddenly dropped dead? I wouldn't, so why the heck would you Mr. Common Sense?) have laws against spousal abuse and domestic violence and people breaking people's arms and you can report it, sue for it, and make police cases about such things.

There is domestic violence all across the world, a lot of it doesn't go reported for various reasons where the woman is concerned for her safety, future, livelihood, extreme changes, reputation, whatever. I have never seen a Muslim woman wearing a cast on her arm though, probably because their sicko husbands won't let them wear a cast on their arm, and forces them to walk with two completely shattered legs too, which are hidden under their Burkhas.

Richerd, can you just face it, you had no good intentions at all in making this thread, you despise the Muslims, that is the whole story, there isn't much more to it, and you enjoy wasting your time on this great mission to try to bring to light the Evil Islam and take it down. Good luck, but I don't think you're going to get anywhere with it overall, you're just creating Islamic resources for them to use and educate themselves with? Ridiculous.

 

[firedragon]

Yeah, but if the KooRayn is sooo "complete" why doesn't it predict that Richerd would make this post or be tricked by Allah into making Audiobooks of the Hadiths that will only serve Muslims lol, his hatred has driven him to become the Muslim's slave (tends to happen).

If the KooooooRaaaaaaayn is Soooo coooomplaaaaayt, why doesn't it talk about how make bicycles? Pretty sure Allah knew about Bicycles, but failed to tell us how to construct Bicycles? Sounds more like the Devil to me!

The Founder of the New Cult of Common Sense, Richerd, can't even figure out the answer to their own question!

Hey Richerd, why don't you try answering your question yourself? Why do you think that nowhere is it mentioned specifically about breaking the wife's arm?

The Bible at least covered what to do when you send your concubine out to get gang raped. You come out of hiding in the morning and kick her a bit to see that she is dead, then chop her body up into bits and mail it to all your colleagues. Duh! Why didn't your common sense come up with that one? Maybe because we need GOD to tell us what to do in case we snap our wife's arm on purpose, and when GOD hasn't specifically mentioned it, we are literally lost on the matter, our eyes go crossed, we start drooling from everywhere, malfunction, malfunction, malfunction, where is Richerd! He would know what to do! Oh no, he is busy making audio books of the freaking Hadiths!

You see, the book of law in any country does not state a specific punishment for someone injecting another person with HIV positive blood. But it is a general understanding that certain criteria that is assigned to murder and/or inflicting harm will apply.

So yes, you are absolutely right.

 

[Richerd92]

I prefer virgins because its gross to me that a girl I want to be intimate with has been doing the same with some other guy! Even if she was raped, but her being legit raped is less disturbing perhaps as her being all meow meow with some other man! Doesn't matter if it happened before me!

The Qur'an has no such laws, and the Historical Islamic Rulers for the most part seemed to have allowed communities to practice their religions and follow their religious laws mainly, so the Jews could basically keep to their Jewish laws under the Islamic rule, which the Christians tended to be more persecutory about more often.

Anyway, the bottom line is, you don't care, and we don't have the button available for you that will simply wipe out all the Muslims and make the world less polluted with them. So if you can wake up and smell the curry, you're in a world full of them and there is nothing you can do about it.

I think what you should learn to do, is how to actually get along with them, and asking them why their Koorayn or Hadooths don't talk about them breaking their wive's arm isn't really a great ice(arm)breaker to start with.

You hate em, but they ain't going nowhere, your attempts are like a weak gas, one that dissipates very quickly. Thanks for your hard work completing audio books of the Hadith, that is a great resource for people, and an educational service, which makes it pretty funny that you were the one who was convinced to do it. I think Allah is controlling your mind.

All the Muslim Governments you are sooo supposedly worried about (would you shed a single tear if they all suddenly dropped dead? I wouldn't, so why the heck would you Mr. Common Sense?) have laws against spousal abuse and domestic violence and people breaking people's arms and you can report it, sue for it, and make police cases about such things.

There is domestic violence all across the world, a lot of it doesn't go reported for various reasons where the woman is concerned for her safety, future, livelihood, extreme changes, reputation, whatever. I have never seen a Muslim woman wearing a cast on her arm though, probably because their sicko husbands won't let them wear a cast on their arm, and forces them to walk with two completely shattered legs too, which are hidden under their Burkhas.

Richerd, can you just face it, you had no good intentions at all in making this thread, you despise the Muslims, that is the whole story, there isn't much more to it, and you enjoy wasting your time on this great mission to try to bring to light the Evil Islam and take it down. Good luck, but I don't think you're going to get anywhere with it overall, you're just creating Islamic resources for them to use and educate themselves with? Ridiculous.

Rape is legit crime though and is horrid ****ty thing to do. I dont mind sluts, i think its more issue if someone has a hobby or not to kill time that would be more a problem for me. People without hobbies tends to not have much going for them, hobbies are helpful things to occupy time

 

[exchemist]

Some news talk that much muslims in France are integrated. But my main blame is religious governments though. I mean while i dont like authoritarian or totalitarian countries either, Europe wasnt that much better with Catholic rule in past, before protestantism, intellectuals and getting religion out of state improved tolerance of religious freedom and human rights. People are as good as society makes them while sometimes they are just nuts.

Yes, there is a well-known problem with muslim fanatical terrorism in the world today, as we all know, but plenty of systems of ideas breed terrorism in the hands of fanatics so this phenomenon does not say much about Islam itself.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Rape is legit crime though and is horrid ****ty thing to do. I dont mind sluts, i think its more issue if someone has a hobby or not to kill time that would be more a problem for me. People without hobbies tends to not have much going for them, hobbies are helpful things to occupy time

Wouldn't it be common sense to execute a violent sexual predator rather than pay for them to have a room and food for many years?

 

[Clara Tea]

Hudud - Wikipedia

Hudud (limits) punishment under sharia law. Punishments are normally stoning to death, lashing, hand amputation, or crucifixion, all of which must be public and cannot be pardoned by the government. They require RIGOROUS proof, which usually is not rigorous enough to allow punishment. Confessions can be retracted.

If the husband broke the wife's arm as part of rape, and the woman was chaste, 4 witnesses are required, and they are to be flogged with eighty stripes, and they are no longer allowed to witness afterwards (impure). (Source: Quran 24:4, 24:6, 9:6, and 16:106).

Qisas (quesas is Spanish for cheese) means "eye for an eye" in Islam. Thus the punishment is to break the husband's arm.

Diyyah is financial compensation. In California, that is called reaming--which is far harsher than Islamic law.

 

[danieldemol]

OK but get a grip please. No muslim nation is a theocracy, except Iran. None.

There are nominally secular countries such as Pakistan, but they tend to have polarised secular and theocratic forces at work in them struggling for power. Kind of like the US only worse.

 

[danieldemol]

Wouldn't it be common sense to execute a violent sexual predator rather than pay for them to have a room and food for many years?

Depends on why they are a sexual predator, if it is due to a curable mental illness why not cure them? I think we don't fully understand what the drivers of sexually predatory behaviour are but if they are curable in the future it would be a shame to have condemned someone for something which may have genetic or other factors outside the control of the predator.

Also if you condemn someone who turns out to be innocent later you can't say whoopsie and bring them back and compensate them like you can with the jail system

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

Also if you condemn someone who turns out to be innocent later

What if you have them on public security camera or something like that?

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

Nobody in the west "mostly has a clue of islam, they just follow politicians or media outlet." which is why i feel its my job to inform them since nobody else is doing it.

What are you talking about? as an internet user, I find search results that are anti-Islam often far easier than results that are pro-Islam, on most platforms, search engines, social media etc. Plus I get autoreccomendations for anti-Islam stuff frequently from even unrelated videos (literally, even on videos that aren't to do with religion) and searches, even though I don't watch that stuff (out of disinterest).
Unless you know what you're searching for, chances are you'll come across hundreds of anti-Islam pages and videos per day whether you click them or not.
There isn't much pro-Islamic stuff out there at the moment (nor is there a collective effort of Muslims doing that), nor much of a collective sentiment worldwide that has any pro-Islamic angle, only minorities and Muslims themselves.

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

I'll keep it short and sweet:

Islam as is, has failed humanity because it's in severe corrupt form.
Islam as it was meant to be, is unknown in this age, and has no official form in public.

Salaam,

I wholeheartedly agree with this, and it is dreadfully upsetting.

In reality we have kafir and munafiq running around claiming to be Muslims, we have western infiltration (of Muslim countries) and a heated continuation of the Christian propaganda against Islam ("Islam is antichrist") passed over into secular politics in various iterations (like the "Islam vs "the west" myth which is just a different mask for "Islam vs Christianity", which is only a myth, a fairytale).
Since Islam was reformed in the late 19th century, things have gone to **** very quickly.

Though on the individual level, things aren't half as bad, so much of it being the simulacrum of media and how it influences people's psyche. Outside of the media, things are often far quieter than people make it out to be.

 

[danieldemol]

What if you have them on public security camera or something like that?

I think what you are basically saying what if we could be certain its them hypothetically, but the causes of sexual predatory behaviour are as I understand it, not fully understood.

If it turns out to be something curable in the future then killing these people would be no different to killing someone for having violent yet curable psychosis or other illness.

When there is more than enough food production since the industrial revolution to keep them safely isolated killing just seems to satisfy primal instincts for revenge rather than rehabilitation.

 

[FearGod]

Depends on why they are a sexual predator, if it is due to a curable mental illness why not cure them? I think we don't fully understand what the drivers of sexually predatory behaviour are but if they are curable in the future it would be a shame to have condemned someone for something which may have genetic or other factors outside the control of the predator.

Also if you condemn someone who turns out to be innocent later you can't say whoopsie and bring them back and compensate them like you can with the jail system

Genetics have no role in the person's behaviors, it isn't inherited but it's a choice.

 

[danieldemol]

Genetics have no rule in the person's behaviors, it isn't inherited but it's a choice.

Get it published in a peer reviewed scientific article then get back to me lol

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

Genetics have no rule in the person's behaviors, it isn't inherited but it's a choice.

It seems to be a difficult thing to even empirically study too, seeing that the factors which make a person who they are, is innately a fusion of many aspects which cannot be separated from each other. A person for instance, will always have an environment.

 

[FearGod]

It seems to be a difficult thing to even empirically study too, seeing that the factors which make a person who they are, is innately a fusion of many aspects which cannot be separated from each other. A person for instance, will always have an environment.

A rapist is a bad person regardless of environment, nothing to be blamed
but his evil mind, we can see rapists in all kind of environments, whether
a religious person, a rich person, a poor person or even a president.

 

[danieldemol]

Thought I'd post this here, it may not be useful to some of the agenda driven science deniers on this thread, but you never know, there might be third parties who are interested Both Environment and Genetic Makeup Influence Behavior | Learn Science at Scitable.

 

[FearGod]

Thought I'd post this here, it may not be useful to some of the agenda driven science deniers on this thread, but you never know, there might be third parties who are interested Both Environment and Genetic Makeup Influence Behavior | Learn Science at Scitable.

And by this article you're defending the rapists, great.