Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

what evidence do you have that Zeus and Anubi don't exist? as you said the burden of proof is on you. please provide them or i'll assume you're a Zeus worshipper

There is no burden of proof, because the existence of God is a matter of faith. All questions about what the agency of a decision is, are matters of opinion, meaning the answer is arrived at by choosing it, and any chosen answer would be valid. Only questions about what the result of a decision is, are matters of fact, meaning the answer is arrived at by evidence forcing to a conclusion, resulting in a 1 to 1 model of what is evidenced.

As the title of God is referred to as "the holy spirit", and the term spirit is referred to in terms of agency of a decision, therefore the name God is properly defined as a subjective term, like beauty, goodness and love are likewise defined.

There is likewise no burden to prove that some woman is beautiful, there is some burden to express emotions about it with free will, thus choosing. The beauty is a love for the way the woman looks, the love is agency of a decision. Therefore the existence of this love is a matter of opinion, which means it is equally valid to choose to say it is real, as it is to say the love is not real.

That is the only possible way to distinguish fact from opinion, to leave what is good, loving and beautiful outside of science.

 

[outhouse]

You automatically assumed I am a "Dense" "Know it all"

Nope.


I'm specifically addressing your stated comment.

There is nothing anyone can do or say to have me not believe there is a God. .

Which in other words means no amount of education or knowledge no matter how credible or factual, means nothing to you. You will remain with your beliefs even if facts presented themselves.

 

[Thief]

what a perfect choice of words:
you assume cause and effect apply to reality.
you assume Cause and effect don't apply to god
result of your assumptions:
God isn't real.

by the way: nobody says the big bang is the beginning.

He is often referred to as.....supernatural

 

[Thief]

you assume God exists cause he tells you so? Do you even realize the absurdity of the thing?
no wonder you never understood the concept of circular reasoning

and He said to Moses.....
Tell the people ....I AM!.....and they with understanding will know Whose law this is.

 

[outhouse]

and He said to Moses.....

You know that is purely mythological, and factually has no historicity, yet you repeat and proselytize your own version of theology add nauseam

circular reasoning does fit the bill here for you, if not, you would provide credible sources yet never ever do.

 

[Thief]

You know that is purely mythological, and factually has no historicity, yet you repeat and proselytize your own version of theology add nauseam

circular reasoning does fit the bill here for you, if not, you would provide credible sources yet never ever do.

you can call it myth all you want...
such practice seems to bring you comfort....

 

[serp777]

There is no burden of proof, because the existence of God is a matter of faith. All questions about what the agency of a decision is, are matters of opinion, meaning the answer is arrived at by choosing it, and any chosen answer would be valid. Only questions about what the result of a decision is, are matters of fact, meaning the answer is arrived at by evidence forcing to a conclusion, resulting in a 1 to 1 model of what is evidenced.

As the title of God is referred to as "the holy spirit", and the term spirit is referred to in terms of agency of a decision, therefore the name God is properly defined as a subjective term, like beauty, goodness and love are likewise defined.

There is likewise no burden to prove that some woman is beautiful, there is some burden to express emotions about it with free will, thus choosing. The beauty is a love for the way the woman looks, the love is agency of a decision. Therefore the existence of this love is a matter of opinion, which means it is equally valid to choose to say it is real, as it is to say the love is not real.

That is the only possible way to distinguish fact from opinion, to leave what is good, loving and beautiful outside of science.

Ridiculous. SUddenly the burden of proof doesn't exist for you because you have faith? What if someone has faith that another God exists or that no God exists at all? They also have no burden of proof? How do you determine which idea is reasonable or unreasonable? In this world we only share one reality, which is a reasonable assumption, so we also share the same God if he exists.

And actually the beauty of women is an entirely false analogy. The existence of God is a true or false proposition whereas the beauty of a woman is an analogue variable with no limits or defined criteria. God's existence couldn't be partially true like how a woman could beautiful to some people but not others. In other words God's existnece doesn't rely on the perspectives of different people which you dont seem to understand.

 

[outhouse]

you can call it myth all you want...

It does not comfort me to know the truth in academia.

Do you gain comfort refusing knowledge?

 

[Thief]

Ridiculous. SUddenly the burden of proof doesn't exist for you because you have faith?

that would be correct.....see Webster's

 

[Thief]

It does not comfort me to know the truth in academia.

Do you gain comfort refusing knowledge?

I have little comfort knowing what I do know.
God and heaven will stand in judgment as I stand from the dust.

I would suppose your comfort comes from not standing.....at all

 

[serp777]

you can call it myth all you want...
such practice seems to bring you comfort....

Its as much a myth as Muhammad flying to heaven on winged, pink unicorn or the evil alien overlord from scientology reaping souls from an ancient, nuked earth. The same thing between all of these mythologies is that you haven't demonstrated any of them to be true. It seems to bring you comfort to assume that you'll be spending an eternity simply worshiping God forever as a mindless drone without free will.

 

[Thief]

Its as much a myth as Muhammad flying to heaven on winged, pink unicorn or the evil alien overlord from scientology reaping souls from an ancient, nuked earth. The same thing between all of these mythologies is that you haven't demonstrated any of them to be true. It seems to bring you comfort to assume that you'll be spending an eternity simply worshiping God forever as a mindless drone without free will.

God created freewill.

 

[serp777]

that would be correct.....see Webster's

No that wouldn't be correct. Just because you have faith doesn't mean the burden of proof goes away. Having absolute trust in something doesn't void a responsibility to provide proof to others when you asser tsomething to be true. Thats crazy.

 

[serp777]

God created freewill.

No because freewill had to always exist simulatenously with God or else there was a point when God did not have free will.

 

[Thief]

No that wouldn't be correct. Just because you have faith doesn't mean the burden of proof goes away. Having absolute trust in something doesn't void a responsibility to provide proof to others when you asser tsomething to be true. Thats crazy.

I assume......your proof would need be....
a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or repeatable experiment?

denied

 

[Thief]

No because freewill had to always exist simulatenously with God or else there was a point when God did not have free will.

try stepping off a high ledge and call upon the angels as you fall....
see if the response is simultaneous.

 

[serp777]

I assume......your proof would need be....
a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or repeatable experiment?

denied

Proof would be simple. God would re arrange the stars to say "I, Yahweh, exist and the bible is accurate." Astronomers could look at that, and say, wow, stars rearranged themselves faster than light, cleary God exists and this miracle is equally verifiable to everyone on earth. So no, not denied. Thats one fail argument--oh you want something to discern reality from mythology? denied. Well ok, but i don't accept fantasies from a 2000 year old ancient book formed and modified by thousands of people. Even if God is real, that doesn't mean the bible is true.

A vision or hallucination or voices in your head or feelings certainly doesnt prove God's existence. People get those same feelings when they want to blow something up for God.

 

[serp777]

try stepping off a high ledge and call upon the angels as you fall....
see if the response is simultaneous.

This doesn't address my point. If God created freewill it means that he didn't have freewill before he created it since it didn't exist.

 

[cambridge79]

and He said to Moses.....
Tell the people ....I AM!.....and they with understanding will know Whose law this is.

You mean that Moses whose story as presented in the bible can't possibly have happened?

 

[cambridge79]

He is often referred to as.....supernatural

Do you realize that the fact that he is supernatural is something you arbitrarily assume in order to make sense of something that does not? You have to recur to magic every time in order to justify what you want to believe: "everything has a cause. Except god cause he is magic" "everything is created. Except god cause he is magic." and yet you have the audacity to claim you don t even have the burden of proof.

And obviously when a believer of a different religion from yours that worship a different god from yours uses your very same arguments to prove his god and disprove yours you reject them as nonsense.
This is all your wisdom in a nutshell.