Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

[Theunis]

And?

Why nothing. I merely gave the link because I found it interesting.
You stimulated my curiosity so I thought I would like to know more.
Thank you.

 

[prometheus11]

switching the word ...aspect/matter..... gained you what?

"Matter of" refers to a conclusion.

"Aspect of" refers to a part of a whole.

 

[Thief]

Actually, you are mistaken on this. Reason is one of the tools we have to obtain wisdom. Without reason, there is no wisdom. (See below)

wis·dom
ˈwizdəm/
noun
The quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.

rea·son
ˈrēzən/
noun
the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

well then.....anyone who can regurgitate whatever he was taught might be called wise.
you would not be able to spot the difference.

but ask someone the solution to a problem.....draw upon thought rather than experience.....
a rational man would continue.....
a 'wise' man not having experience would stall.

 

[Thief]

seeing cause to do so.....I reiterate...

honest people would admit that faith is a matter of reasoning
and out of reasoning we become sure of what we know

 

[prometheus11]

seeing cause to do so.....I reiterate...

Faith only strengthens belief. Faith does NOT validate or cause accuracy and in many cases decreases accuracy in strengthening belief beyond what is reasonable.

 

[leibowde84]

well then.....anyone who can regurgitate whatever he was taught might be called wise.
you would not be able to spot the difference.

Nope, that's not true. Wisdom requires " ... experience, knowledge, AND good judgment". They need all 3, according to the meaning of the term.

a 'wise' man not having experience would stall.

Again, you are wrong, as being "experienced" is a requirement for "wisdom" according to the definition; as is "reason" or "good judgment".

 

[Thief]

Faith only strengthens belief. Faith does NOT validate or cause accuracy and in many cases decreases accuracy in strengthening belief beyond what is reasonable.

I belief for good reason.
that you lack the reason....is no fault on my part.

 

[Thief]

Nope, that's not true. Wisdom requires " ... experience, knowledge, AND good judgment". They need all 3, according to the meaning of the term.
Again, you are wrong, as being "experienced" is a requirement for "wisdom" according to the definition; as is "reason" or "good judgment".

you can't experience all that you need for leaving this life.
you have to think about it.
use your head.....

 

[leibowde84]

I belief for good reason.

This is your subjective opinion, is it not?

 

[Thief]

This is your subjective opinion, is it not?

it is my good reasoning

 

[leibowde84]

you can't experience all that you need for leaving this life.

This is completely irrelevant to this topic, and a straw-man at that, as no one claimed anything about required knowledge, experience, or reason for "leaving this life".

 

[leibowde84]

it is my good reasoning

So, yes.

 

[Thief]

This is completely irrelevant to this topic, and a straw-man at that, as no one claimed anything about required knowledge, experience, or reason for "leaving this life".

my quote IS the pivot point.

 

[leibowde84]

my quote IS the pivot point.

So, you admit you are hijacking the thread for your own interest. Why don't you just start a new thread?

 

[prometheus11]

I belief for good reason.
that you lack the reason....is no fault on my part.

Is it faith or reason?

I think you believe for poor reasons.

Again, what is your argument against people who believe in drastically different ways than you but for identical reasons? (Faith)

Who in the world is blaming you for their belief?!? How stupid would that be???

That'd be like me saying, "that you lack a Ferrari is no fault on my part."

I mean, duh.

 

[Thief]

So, you admit you are hijacking the thread for your own interest. Why don't you just start a new thread?

you have already admitted.....that you don't know.....
why should I renounce all of my good reasoning and faith and give in to someone who claims he doesn't know?

 

[prometheus11]

you can't experience all that you need for leaving this life.
you have to think about it.
use your head.....

Don't imply that others aren't thinking or using their heads. That's presumptive and rude.

I mean, think about it. Just use your head.

 

[Thief]

Is it faith or reason?

I think you believe for poor reasons.

Again, what is your argument against people who believe in drastically different ways than you but for identical reasons? (Faith)

Who in the world is blaming you for their belief?!? How stupid would that be???

That'd be like me saying, "that you lack a Ferrari is no fault on my part."

I mean, duh.

there are far too many copies of a learning device....each one rendering a unique soul.....
to say there is no life after death.

7billion+ examples and we all fail into the dust?
not one chance in billions?

I reason otherwise.

 

[Thief]

Don't imply that others aren't thinking or using their heads. That's presumptive and rude.

I mean, think about it. Just use your head.

see previous postings

 

[cambridge79]

reasoning lays in your head....
you would be that person who denies the sound a tree makes when it falls.....and you weren't there to hear it

Reasoning is assuming that since sound is a vibration propagating in the air, and there was air around that tree, and all trees make sounds when they fall, than that tree would make a sound even if nobody is listening.
faith is assuming that an alien used his laser saw to cut down that tree.