Ãanisty
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Oh good,then I just misunderstood you. It seemed like you were saying we couldn't identify them as Muslim."Muslim extremists" will do nicely. It's not like it's inextricably intertwined into one word or anything.
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Oh good,then I just misunderstood you. It seemed like you were saying we couldn't identify them as Muslim."Muslim extremists" will do nicely. It's not like it's inextricably intertwined into one word or anything.
Ðanisty;941789 said:Oh good,then I just misunderstood you. It seemed like you were saying we couldn't identify them as Muslim.
Ðanisty;941789 said:Oh good,then I just misunderstood you. It seemed like you were saying we couldn't identify them as Muslim.
Me, I just refer to all rabid Muslim extremists as "Those Fullyveiled Muslimah Folks". I figure you can't get more extremist than that.
Yep. Blogs. And how many people do they reach? I am talking about the way the media pussyfoot around the issues. The BBC in Britain didn't show the 'offensive' pictures, which in ANY other case it would have. Comedians may take the occaisional pop, but it's very very carefully.The largest right-wing bloggers, such as Michelle Malkin and Charles Johnson, devote themselves on a virtually daily basis to condemning Muslims and mocking Islam. During the "Mohammed cartoon" controversy, they repeatedly published the blasphemous cartoons. Malkin has a blogger on her Hot Air blog who derisively blogs under the name "Allah". Were fatwas issued against them? Are they living in seclusion, under 24-hour guard from the Grave Islamic Menace that lives in Kirchick's head?
The thing is, a single drunk, or a dog etc is not threatening my way of life, my freedoms. The lastest crappy cartoon in Sweden for instance...Demands were made to punish the guy responsible. Of course that won't happen. But what happens when the population of Muslims gets to a point where they can actually change government policy? France is now around 10% muslim...and rising.As to the OP, what can I say? Would you tell a raving drunk that you slept with their mother? Would you poke an angry Pit Bull with a sharp stick? Would you go up to a 3 year old and scream, "Santa is not real! Get over it!" Just sigh and apply the same logic functions to actions that make you want to pull your hair out.
See above... The population rise of muslims is outstripping the rise in other faiths, and atheists. Imagine if it gets to a level where they start getting laws passed?I know that the growth of the Muslim population has been faster, which causes some difficulties as people get used to it. And in the U.S., well our country was built on immigrants, so we're a little more used to the idea of assimilating people (even though we've had our difficulties over the years), so that works to our advantage.
The thought of an Islamic Europe makes me physically sick. Name me one Islamic state that is not completely backward in respect to human rights? Strangely enough I have no problems with individual muslims, but as a whole I believe they represent the biggest threat the world has seen...We all can learn from each other, I agree. It's just that it seemed as if Europeans becoming Muslim means the end of the world as we know it. Or that we'll have another Taliban, because we know how all Muslims are evil terrorists
It is called Dhimmitude which is in effect enforced subservience to Muslim cultural norms by non-Muslims theoretically living in Muslim countries. This concept is now being expanded into non-Muslim countries with considerable success. Part of the reason for this success is our overwhelmingly absurd idea to be "politically correct". Heaven forbid anyone ever get offended by anything. Oddly, I don't respect the beliefs of Charles Manson's followers, why should I respect anyone's ideas when I think they are basically "misguided"?Yep. Blogs. And how many people do they reach? I am talking about the way the media pussyfoot around the issues. The BBC in Britain didn't show the 'offensive' pictures, which in ANY other case it would have. Comedians may take the occaisional pop, but it's very very carefully.
That is a bother for sure, but how to stop it? If you think that the cartoon fiasco was bizarre how do you think sanctions against Muslims living in non-Muslims democracies would go over? What will be, will be, and it is simply better to learn to adapt. Not to say we should NOT be allowed to be highly critical if we so desire. In theory, we live in "free" countries... in theory... as long as one remains insipidly politically correct, of course.The thing is, a single drunk, or a dog etc is not threatening my way of life, my freedoms. The lastest crappy cartoon in Sweden for instance...Demands were made to punish the guy responsible. Of course that won't happen. But what happens when the population of Muslims gets to a point where they can actually change government policy? France is now around 10% muslim...and rising.
Well, if any one group ever becomes dominant and suplants the indigenous group(s) then the game goes to them and they have every right to do as they please... even install a theocracy that abandons democracy as we know it. Tough darts, eh?See above... The population rise of muslims is outstripping the rise in other faiths, and atheists. Imagine if it gets to a level where they start getting laws passed?
Beats me, is there one? I agree that it is a very telling aspect of Islam. Different standards, I suppose. Come now, brutal execusions in public would make Survivor a far more interesting show. *giggles* Frankly, I think the Ummah will eventually tire of the rabble besmirching the "good name" of Islam and put a stop to it themselves. I do not see Islam as the biggest threat to the world although it is certainly up there. There is always the possibility that some extremist wacko jacko will "get lucky" and do something very stupid and many people will die as a result of their unsound reasoning. What Third world Muslims do not seem to appreciate is that 9/11 merely woke America up... it will take a lot more to tick America off so she is not quite so concerned about anything other than reprisal.The thought of an Islamic Europe makes me physically sick. Name me one Islamic state that is not completely backward in respect to human rights? Strangely enough I have no problems with individual muslims, but as a whole I believe they represent the biggest threat the world has seen... A huge 1+ billion army of brain-washed zombies.
Is there room for any religion that cannot be criticised?
*hands Michel a Prozac*I don't believe that any Religion can be criticised; maybe the interpretation of the followers, but no religion per se.
The thought of an Islamic Europe makes me physically sick. Name me one Islamic state that is not completely backward in respect to human rights? Strangely enough I have no problems with individual muslims, but as a whole I believe they represent the biggest threat the world has seen... A huge 1+ billion army of brain-washed zombies.
In the U.S., we not only have a right to our opinion, but the right to express our opinion in ways that might displease other people.
1. It's interesting that you think that's what we ALL do.I think it would be tragic to pretend to respect the opinions of people who riot over cartoons.
Me, I just refer to all rabid Muslim extremists as "Those Fullyveiled Muslimah Folks". I figure you can't get more extremist than that.
I was referring to the Danish cartoons.I get that. I meant it as in if you wanted to discuss something over here in the forum. If your aim is to curse at others, feel free to do so. But if your aim is to have a civilized dialog then there's a certain way to do it.
No, I don't think that's what you ALL do. But there are certainly a lot of you who do. And I noticed that even many of the Muslims who didn't react violently still called for the punishment of the cartoonists and the economic boycott of Denmark. If that's an appropriate reaction to a few Danish cartoons, what would be an appropriate reaction to Muslim violence and terrorism?1. It's interesting that you think that's what we ALL do.
I would have disapproved of the Danish cartoonists if they had set fire to buildings and killed random Muslims as a way of expressing their opinion. What's really interesting is that someone would be unable to see the difference between cartoons on the one hand and arson and murder on the other.It's even more interesting you gave yourself the right to express your opinion in ways that might displease others, yet they don't have the same right.
And why wouldn't they? Do we need more Islamophobia? What does their religion have to do with their reactions to unjust police action? Furthermore, they weren't all Muslim. They were mostly immigrants, and yea, a lot of those immigrants happen to be Muslim, but plenty of native French people and second generation Portuguese immigrants played their role too, so what a ridiculous example. And I think that those kids dying is a pretty serious thing, much more serious than the riots. And when an action is really motivated by religion (so long as that religion is Islam), the media makes damn sure we know it.I don't think that's true at all. Remember the riots in France in 2005? American news outlets were blathering about "youth unrest;" I didn't see any stories that intimated that they were Muslim youth who were rioting. Even when they reported that the rioters were broadcasting "prayers" on loudspeakers, they never said they were Muslim prayers. It was often mentioned that the rioters were immigrants, but no story I saw said Muslim immigrants. Every story I read that mentioned Muslims in connection with the riots mentioned them sympathetically, as being disturbed by the rioting. It was really striking the lengths reporters went to to dissociate Islam from the rioting.
No, I don't think that's what you ALL do. But there are certainly a lot of you who do.