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Is there solid, verifiable proof that there is a god?

darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Jeremiah said:
Here's my proof there is a God.

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If you were being serious i'd metaphorically slap you :flirt:
 
Azakel

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Jeremiah said:
Here's my proof there is a God.

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That holds has much proof of the Bible god being real as this
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Proves that the Goddess Amaterasu is real. Which really is nothing is you think about it(and I'm one who believe in Amaterasu).
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
on cold winter nights, i worship my socks. when i pray to god to keep my feet warm, they get colder.

but my socks wrap me in their warm embrace of never ending love.

and yes, i know my socks are real
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
slave2six said:
Forget mythology and "personal experiences" and all that rot. Can anyone on this planet provide undeniable evidence that there is a deity at all?
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No more than anyone can do for wormholes or extraterrestrial life.
 
Jeremiah

Jeremiah

Well-Known Member
darkendless said:
If you were being serious i'd metaphorically slap you :flirt:
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I was being serious, insomuch as "truth" is in the eye of the beholder.

Proof - "The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true."

The Bible has compelled many minds to accept the "truth", has it not?

If God exist nowhere objectively then at the very least it exist, certainly, subjectively.

Then how can one ask for "undeniable" evidence when all of objectivity is seen subjectively ? Where one see "evidence" the other will not. Our friend, the OPer, is actually asking for "undeniable" evidence meeting his standards. If he is resolute, in his beliefs, then no evidence will ever being "undeniable". As where, other individuals might view the same evidence and find it as "undeniable" proof there is a "God".

So then how can we deny that the Bible is proof of "God"? It may not be proof in some eyes but in the eyes of others it is.
 
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slave2six

slave2six

Substitious
Storm said:
Personal experience, which he threw out.
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Personal experience? How about I eat some shrooms and hallucinate? That would be a personal experience and you can't disprove the seven winged cyclops that I saw while I was stoned. Get real, please.
 
slave2six

slave2six

Substitious
Jeremiah said:
Here's my proof there is a God.

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Let's say that I have a friend named Monica and I wrote a book about her. In fact, let's just say that I was able to write about every minute of her life. Then, I published this book and hundreds of people read it and some of them feel really close to Monica, although they have never met her. They write to her and send her emails but she never responds. Then one day some people start wondering if she is real and demand to see her.

How do I prove that she exists? By keeping her in seclusion or by introducing her to people and letting them see her, meet her, and experience an interaction with her?

Your book is mere fiction.

This is how I know that elves are real:

Silmarillion.jpg
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
slave2six said:
Personal experience? How about I eat some shrooms and hallucinate? That would be a personal experience and you can't disprove the seven winged cyclops that I saw while I was stoned. Get real, please.
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Mystical experiences are neurologically distinct from hallucination.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
If verifiable proof of a god's existence did arise, I wonder if we'd have a greater proportion of skeptics (currently atheists) who accepted it, seeing as skeptics/atheists are generally the ones who do not have a problem accepting things which have proof of existence.
 
autonomous1one1

autonomous1one1

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
slave2six said:
Forget mythology and "personal experiences" and all that rot. Can anyone on this planet provide undeniable evidence that there is a deity at all?
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Greetings my friend slave. The 'undeniable evidence' you seek is to be found within as the great founders of religions have told us:

  • The kingdom of heaven is within you. (Jesus, Christianity)
  • Those who know themselves know their Lord. (Mohammad, Islam)
  • He is in all, and all is in Him. (Judaism)
  • Those who know completely their own nature, know heaven. (Mencius, Confucianism)
  • In the depths of the soul, one sees the Divine, the One. (The Chinese Book of Changes)
  • Atman [individual consciousness] and Brahman [universal consciousness] are one. (Hinduism)
  • Look within, you are the Buddha. (Buddhism)
[Taken from the book Essential Spirituality by Roger Walsh.]

Such realization of the True Self within is not a 'personal experience' because it transcends the personal. :) But do not take my word for it; read only the preface and the table of contents of this book:

History of Mysticism: The Unchanging Testament
by Swami Abhayananda
Free copy at: Spiritual Teaching Courses, Workshops and Intensives in Perth, Western Australia

Best wishes,
a.1
 
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