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Is there "Something" in empty space that we can't see ?

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Space is not empty. It is full of quantum stuff, gasses, dark matter, lumps of rock and possibly dark energy

Where you get the idea space was created before the bb? Completely unknown so not worth guessing about

About 99.9%+ of the ‘stuff’ that makes up the universe is plasma, the fourth state of matter.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
To spread things/stars out --- there needs to be an empty-space. Therefore, this empty-space was created even before big bang happened.

No it's space itself that is expanding and taking the stuff within it with it - at least at large enough scales. There is no need to create the space first.

Do you believe there can be "something" in this empty-space that we can't see with our physical eyes ?

Yes. Empty space still has fields within it which lead to vacuum fluctuations: Quantum fluctuation - Wikipedia

Say it "Dark-matter" or "Empty-space". Just two different words for the one same thing.

or, is there any difference ?

Yes there's a difference. Dark matter appears to just be matter we can't see (because it doesn't interact electromagnetically), we can find out where it is and make maps of it by it's gravitational effects.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
To spread things/stars out --- there needs to be an empty-space. Therefore, this empty-space was created even before big bang happened.

What do you think about the creation of this empty-space ?
Was there some kind of "space-big-bang" a long time before the big bang of stars ?
or this empty-space existed by default ?

Final question is: Some atoms, or molecules are really small. So small, in fact, that it's impossible to see one with the naked eye, or even with the most powerful of microscopes.

Do you believe there can be "something" in this empty-space that we can't see with our physical eyes ?

There was nothing and then there was something. Once something existed it was by default everything and everywhere therefore there never has been and never will be empty space. There is just nothing and everything.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
To spread things/stars out --- there needs to be an empty-space. Therefore, this empty-space was created even before big bang happened.

Already wrong. The Big Bang is an expansion of space itself, NOT an expansion *into* already existing space.

Furthermore, that space may well be curved.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Say it "Dark-matter" or "Empty-space". Just two different words for the one same thing.

or, is there any difference ?

Yes, there is a difference. Dark matter is a type of matter that is not evenly distributed in space (it tends to collect in galaxies, just like ordinary matter).

You might be confusing this with Dark *Energy*, which is, in some formulations, an energy density of the vacuum itself.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
But, there'a an empty-space in front of our eyes, therefore, am asking (act) this question as it appears.
Isn't ?
Are you considering only things we can see with our naked eyes all that exists?
 
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
To spread things/stars out --- there needs to be an empty-space. Therefore, this empty-space was created even before big bang happened.

What do you think about the creation of this empty-space ?
Was there some kind of "space-big-bang" a long time before the big bang of stars ?
or this empty-space existed by default ?

Final question is: Some atoms, or molecules are really small. So small, in fact, that it's impossible to see one with the naked eye, or even with the most powerful of microscopes.

Do you believe there can be "something" in this empty-space that we can't see with our physical eyes ?

The nature of space and time continues to be a hot topic of scientific theorizing and exploration. The short answer is "we don't (yet) know".
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
To spread things/stars out --- there needs to be an empty-space. Therefore, this empty-space was created even before big bang happened.

What do you think about the creation of this empty-space ?
Was there some kind of "space-big-bang" a long time before the big bang of stars ?
or this empty-space existed by default ?

Final question is: Some atoms, or molecules are really small. So small, in fact, that it's impossible to see one with the naked eye, or even with the most powerful of microscopes.

Do you believe there can be "something" in this empty-space that we can't see with our physical eyes ?

There were no stars at the big bang

There was no space as we experience it before the big bang

There was no time before the big bang...at least as we experience it.

The space that expanded from the big bang has lots of stuff we can't see. Atoms, molecules, energy, dark energy, dark matter, virtual particles, radiation.........
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Do you believe there can be "something" in this empty-space that we can't see with our physical eyes ?
I think there are dimensions of reality beyond the three we observe with our physical senses. In fact, I believe much of what we call paranormal/spiritual plays out in these higher dimensions that we can't see.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I think there are dimensions of reality beyond the three we observe with our physical senses. In fact, I believe much of what we call paranormal/spiritual plays out in these higher dimensions that we can't see.
And...and I see that you are speculating.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
And...and I see that you are speculating.
In saying those things I believe I stand on the shoulder of giants of the Vedic (Hindu), Theosophical and other wisdom traditions.

These things are not my personal speculations.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
There was nothing and then there was something. Once something existed it was by default everything and everywhere therefore there never has been and never will be empty space. There is just nothing and everything.
Existence and non-existence. The Final Frontier.

1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?
2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.
3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminate chaos.
All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Existence and non-existence. The final Frontier.

1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?
2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.
3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminate chaos.
All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

A little to anthropomorphic that can be interpreted in at least several ways.

I prefer the scientific explanation based on our knowledge of Quantum Mechanics. All of our macro physical existence arrises from the Quantum World.

Of course the Quantum World, nor space is 'something' visible
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
A little to anthropomorphic that can be interpreted in at least several ways.
Shunyadragon, after all, it was written about 3,000 years ago, certainly before Buddha's time, because by that time the Vedas were codified. The writer was a gent remembered as 'Prajapati Parameshthi'.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
In saying those things I believe I stand on the shoulder of giants of the Vedic (Hindu), Theosophical and other wisdom traditions.

These things are not my personal speculations.

No, they are other people’s speculations.

None of which have ever been proved.

There are many, many other speculations from different cultures over many centuries, which are quite different from Hindu speculations.
Do you believe they are ALL true ?

Why do you think it is that these speculations remain unproved after thousands of years ?
 
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