Is this phrase discriminatory?

[Unveiled Artist]

Not really. Many parents disagree with what their kids do and many of the things that make them "them," (particularly during teenaged years) but they still love them.
But, on the other hand, it can also be very patronizing, unequally applied, and used as an excuse to attempt to cover up homophobia.
Like so many things, it really just depends on how it's being used and who's using it.

Say a parent is racist and her child grown up in a non segregated. Would it be right for the parent to love that child but dislike him being friends with an african american (say they are caurcasian)? I mean, the parent has to love All of him. He isnt doing anythimg bad just somrthing against the parents morals. It isnt about the parent but the child.

That child would be crushed if the parent said "I love you but not you being friends with John"

The child would be upset and has a right to be. Thats his mother.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's easy for some, for whom self worth isn't dependent upon others liking one's beliefs.

True. If it was different teams in football, thats cool. Homosexuality, as an orientation to the gay person, is kinda different. I mean, my friend and I have been friends for years and she disagrees with my orientation and faith. I dont know how our friendship lasts when we are only friends with parts of each other.

 

[Revoltingest]

True. If it was different teams in football, thats cool. Homosexuality, as an orientation to the gay person, is kinda different. I mean, my friend and I have been friends for years and she disagrees with my orientation and faith. I dont know how our friendship lasts when we are only friends with parts of each other.

To be friends with parts is better than to not be friends at all, eh?
We may even relish the differences.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When its relationships, we laugh a lot. In religion, we dont discuss it. I can tall about Catholicism with her because I know it to support her. She doesnt see witchcraft as good and doesnt want to tall about the good sides of it (from my view) to support me. Both our family said we shoudnt be friends. Yet, I dont agree with defriending people unless they hurt me more than disagreement over what makes me, me.

To be friends with parts is better than to not be friends at all, eh?
We may even relish the differences.

 

[jojom]

EDIT

Thats like my saying, "I love my Catholic friend, but I disagree with her religion." Its not like sports where I love base ball and she basket ball. Religion is who that person is. If one cant accept that person's religion; agree to it insofar that they dont compromise their own faith, why be friends? Its a continous insult if I dislike Christianity and became friends with her. I wouldnt want to like christianity To become friends but because she is my friend, I will never say "I love you but I disagree with your faith." Its more. "I love you and I accept EDIT: LOVE who you are in Christ Regardless of my beliefs"

Don't know if it makes any difference, but unlike one's religion homosexuality isn't a choice. And, I don't believe that religion "is who that person is." People are are far more than their chosen religion, and for a lot of those who declare they're of a certain faith, the religion is a very minor part of their lives.


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[Revoltingest]

When its relationships, we laugh a lot. In religion, we dont discuss it. I can tall about Catholicism with her because I know it to support her. She doesnt see witchcraft as good and doesnt want to tall about the good sides of it (from my view) to support me. Both our family said we shoudnt be friends. Yet, I dont agree with defriending people unless they hurt me more than disagreement over what makes me, me.

I have many friends who are fundies.
But with one in particular, we really have joviality & fun talking about differences.
He recommends political candidates to look into.
I counsel him on why Cait Jenner is no problem to society.
Great times are had by all.

After all, we only disagree about things which don't exist.
Regarding what matters....his company does great work for me, & my checks always clear.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Thank you. Would you not say what you do is part of who you are?

Yes.

Kind of like saying "Sure, I love blacks. I just dont lile their skin color" (Saying that all "black" people have dark skin even though a lot of us dont.)

Most people who will say "I love you but not your homosexuality" are confusing behavior with orientation. In other words, most who hold this kind of belief think that being physically intimate with others of the same gender is what makes me gay; not nature itself. Most who talk like this will also say that "homosexuality is a choice"; and from their perspective, they are correct: All things being equal, behavior is a choice. I don't agree with their perspective, of course, but I'm not going to automatically reject them for not knowing any better.

Everyone loves someone that has behaviors we don't like or that drive us nuts. My room mate gulps his pop, which is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. No one likes everything about anyone we know.

Don't know if it makes any difference, but unlike one's religion homosexuality isn't a choice.

I'm not sure I believe this. I suspect that we believe that which we believe because when we heard it or learned about it, it just "rang true" to us. I submit the possibility that religions are not "chosen" as much as they are "discovered" as well as any other interest, talent, orientation, etc.

 

[jojom]

I'm not sure I believe this. I suspect that we believe that which we believe because when we heard it or learned about it, it just "rang true" to us.

And I would say that we chose to believe it over those options that failed to ring as true to us. Opting for X over Z is not at all like being born with or developing an ingrained predisposition to X.

I submit the possibility that religions are not "chosen" as much as they are "discovered" as well as any other interest, talent, orientation, etc.

I think behind all choices there's an element of discovery; coming upon an option you are unfamiliar with, and being struck by its appeal. If the appeal is strong enough one may choose it over others that are similar. But at the same time one has the option to reject it.


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[rusra02]

"I love gays but I disagree with homosexuality?"

Isn't that like saying, to those who say this above, "I love who you are but I disagree with what, of many things that makes you, you"?

Isnt it contradictory to say you love someone but hate the way they Love other people?

That is like my telling a Muslim, I love you but I hate your religion. That means I hate the Muslim because he is not separate from his faith. He IS his faith.

Likewise with people in general. When they love someone in marriage they ARE the love they give.

The question is one, a yes or no and two, is it logical to say you love the person but not what makes the person, a human being.

I believe true love such as God shows is based on principle, not the merits of the ones loved. "But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (1 John 5:8) Christians are commanded to love their neighbor as themselves. (Matthew 22:39) Such love is shown by how it acts, doing good and kind things for others, whether they are "deserving" or not, or even if they are enemies. (Luke 6:27) So yes, we can love those whose actions we abhor, IMO.

 

[Willamena]

"I love gays but I disagree with homosexuality?"
...is it logical to say you love the person but not what makes the person, a human being.

The phrase is robbed of context.

Explain.

I was saying to New Guy, what we do is part of who we are. So, I see anyone who says that really not accepting me. Thats just me.

Better explained in post 12

That's the context I meant, thank you.

It's not a bad thing to compartmentalize and hold distinct those things that "make the person." It's like when a child does something wrong, you want to explain that it's wrong to do that, not that the child herself "is wrong."

 

[jojom]

I believe true love such as God shows is based on principle, not the merits of the ones loved. "But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (1 John 5:8) Christians are commanded to love their neighbor as themselves. (Matthew 22:39) Such love is shown by how it acts, doing good and kind things for others, whether they are "deserving" or not, or even if they are enemies. (Luke 6:27) So yes, we can love those whose actions we abhor, IMO.

I think god slipped these passages in so as to set the stage for absolving his own misdeeds: love me despite all the bad I've done.


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[Twilight Hue]

Since when do you have to love everything about a person in order to love that person? Everything about a person and everything they do is technically a part of their identity, whether they are a smoker, democrat, Trekkie, sarcastic, loud, or anything else.

Exactly.

No person is defined solely upon any one aspect like homosexuality, smoking preferences, political affiliation or whatever.

Seems like these days, people just get too narrowminded into a mode of brainwashed thinking that somehow a single defining characteristic essentially makes or breaks the deal, solely on the basis of dissaporval on any givin thing on what that person says or does.

Pretty shallow thinking for which a single disapproval somehow warrants discrimination upon that person.

Exclusive yes. Discrimintory? Lol Not by a long shot.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Don't know if it makes any difference, but unlike one's religion homosexuality isn't a choice. And, I don't believe that religion "is who that person is." People are are far more than their chosen religion, and for a lot of those who declare they're of a certain faith, the religion is a very minor part of their lives.

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have many friends who are fundies.
But with one in particular, we really have joviality & fun talking about differences.
He recommends political candidates to look into.
I counsel him on why Cait Jenner is no problem to society.
Great times are had by all.

After all, we only disagree about things which don't exist.
Regarding what matters....his company does great work for me, & my checks always clear.

I like that. Isn't that kind of different than disliking your friend as a person, as Is something you disagree with?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm not sure I believe this. I suspect that we believe that which we believe because when we heard it or learned about it, it just "rang true" to us. I submit the possibility that religions are not "chosen" as much as they are "discovered" as well as any other interest, talent, orientation, etc.

Well said.

Also, I agree. It drives me up the wall when someone mistakes homosexuality with behavior. If that be the case, a lot of straight people are gay cause they like being more than "flirtatious" (for lack of better words) from time to time. Which, has Nothing to do with his orientation. People.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe true love such as God shows is based on principle, not the merits of the ones loved. "But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (1 John 5:8) Christians are commanded to love their neighbor as themselves. (Matthew 22:39) Such love is shown by how it acts, doing good and kind things for others, whether they are "deserving" or not, or even if they are enemies. (Luke 6:27) So yes, we can love those whose actions we abhor, IMO.

I think the intent of saying the OP statement is that scripture describes homosexuality as a choice that "any" person can do. Gay people, on the other hand, a lot of them are not gay according to scripture.

I feel what we do defines who we are. So, if I love someone and you disagree with that love (not action) because of gender, then that's a part of Me not a behavior you don't like.

It's really hard to explain. Like loving a black person but not their color of skin since their color of skin is against scripture even though a lot of people are Black but have light skin. (Example only; not in scripture)

Understand?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Just saying "I love gays" unnerves me.

 

[ChristineES]

"I love gays but I disagree with homosexuality?"

Isn't that like saying, to those who say this above, "I love who you are but I disagree with what, of many things that makes you, you"?

Isnt it contradictory to say you love someone but hate the way they Love other people?

That is like my telling a Muslim, I love you but I hate your religion. That means I hate the Muslim because he is not separate from his faith. He IS his faith.

Likewise with people in general. When they love someone in marriage they ARE the love they give.

The question is one, a yes or no and two, is it logical to say you love the person but not what makes the person, a human being.

No, I don't see it as discriminatory. I've had many people say that they don't mind me, but they don't like my faith: Follower/Disciple of Yeshua (Christianity): I did NOT see that as being discriminatory at all. It would be discriminatory is a person was not hired for a job he or she was was qualified for just because he or she is gay or something of that nature. I love the human race and most people. I can count on one hand how many people I didn't get along with.
On top of that, Christians believe in "Loving the sinner, hating the sin", and this is mostly because we consider everyone, including ourselves, as "sinners". We are not supposed to believe that one sin is worse than another. (As for being gay being a sin, I'd like to say that I won't say whether I believe it to be a sin or not a sin, I refuse to have what I feel are political opinions).

I see people as human beings: Not by their faith/religion, not by their sexual preference, not by their lifestyle, not by their culture, but how they are as human beings. As a Christian, I have Christian love for ALL people.

 

[Revoltingest]

I like that. Isn't that kind of different than disliking your friend as a person, as Is something you disagree with?

Just as I don't dislike him, I'm sure many anti-homosexuality Xians don't dislike gays.
Of course, there are those who loudly dislike them.

 

[jojom]

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

If you're a Christian couldn't you also be a Democrat, a vegan, a singer, and a male chauvinist pig? To say X is totally Y, the implication of your statement, precludes X from being anything else. Religion is only a part of who a person is, and the nature of that part, say being Christian, was chosen. I choose/chose to be a Christian rather than a Muslim, or I was raised a Christian and choose/chose not to change. One's religion truly does come down to a matter of choice.

I think the intent of saying the OP statement is that scripture describes homosexuality as a choice that "any" person can do. Gay people, on the other hand, a lot of them are not gay according to scripture.

Scripturally, what kind of gay people are not gay?


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