Is this phrase discriminatory?

[Unveiled Artist]

No, I don't see it as discriminatory. I've had many people say that they don't mind me, but they don't like my faith: Follower/Disciple of Yeshua (Christianity): I did NOT see that as being discriminatory at all. It would be discriminatory is a person was not hired for a job he or she was was qualified for just because he or she is gay or something of that nature. I love the human race and most people. I can count on one hand how many people I didn't get along with.
On top of that, Christians believe in "Loving the sinner, hating the sin", and this is mostly because we consider everyone, including ourselves, as "sinners". We are not supposed to believe that one sin is worse than another. (As for being gay being a sin, I'd like to say that I won't say whether I believe it to be a sin or not a sin, I refuse to have what I feel are political opinions).

I see people as human beings: Not by their faith/religion, not by their sexual preference, not by their lifestyle, not by their culture, but how they are as human beings. As a Christian, I have Christian love for ALL people.

I think its me. My friend, for example, is christian. It would make no sense to be her friend if I dislike her faith. Her faith or her relationship with Christ is who she is. If I dont like her faith, I dont like who she is in Christ. To me, that is an insult to her. She doesnt befriend and date many guy friends because they dislikee her faith. Christ is a part of her and she a part of Him.

Same with sexual orientation. Not all gay people do "gay" things. Associating homosexual behavior (sin, if one likes) with homosexuals is so wrong in itself.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you're a Christian couldn't you also be a Democrat, a vegan, a singer, and a male chauvinist pig? To say X is totally Y, the implication of your statement, precludes X from being anything else. Religion is only a part of who a person is, and the nature of that part, say being Christian, was chosen. I choose/chose to be a Christian rather than a Muslim, or I was raised a Christian and choose/chose not to change. One's religion truly does come down to a matter of choice

I disagree. If that be the case, Id be a Catholic, Buddhist, Pagan. I am not. I chose Catholicism prematurely. Some things I believe And it is not a part of me. No matter how much I practice, it is a choice not a calling. I had a choice to practice Buddhism but I am not a Buddhist. No matter how much I follow the Buddha's teachings and believe I have a Buddha nature, I am not part of a lineage, I dont resognate with its cultural practice. Its a part of what I believe. It is not a part of me.

Paganism was not a choice. I didnt go through the religions of the word and say "hey, i like this one". People dont choose themselves. The Buddha says we realize who we are already. That "realization" not choice is what makes people "choose to 'follow' a particular faith"

No christian and scriptural passage I know says Christians choose Christ. They are "born again" without their doing in the Holy Spirit and "Christ choses them."

Scripturally, what kind of gay people are not gay?

What do you mean?

Scripture uses the word homosexuals and homosexuality to refer to any to or more people regardless of their sexual orientation who does gay sexual related actions based on lust, abuse, rape, etc. There is no scripture that two people of same gender can commit to each other like husband and wife.

A lot of gay people are in commited relationships that are Not in scripture. A lot of gay people dont have "gay relations". A lotnog gay people are in "straight" relationships because they are christian. Others are celebate. Tying all gay people dont into scripture is not only morally wrong, but logically as well.

 

[jojom]

Scripturally, what kind of gay people are not gay?

What do you mean?

You said, "Gay people, on the other hand, a lot of them are not gay according to scripture." Removing the aside and rearranging your remark, but not losing the sense of it, we get:

"According to scripture a lot of gay people are not gay ."​

Hence my question, "Scripturally, what kind of gay people are not gay?" I await your answer.

There is no scripture that two people of same gender can commit to each other like husband and wife.

Is there any scripture that specifically says only a man and a woman can be married? OR, specifically forbids any other kind of marriage?


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[Willamena]

"This phrase" holds no discriminatory connotation.


Sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[LuisDantas]

The question is one, a yes or no

Yes, it is discriminatory.

and two, is it logical to say you love the person but not what makes the person, a human being.

No. Human beings are not very logical to begin with.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I dont like your tone.

First.

Hence my question, "Scripturally, what kind of gay people are not gay?" I await your answer.

I ask again, what do you mean?

According to scripture, a "homosexual" is someone who lustfully sleeps with someone of their own gender. It has to do with actions. Ask any christian.

They will post scriptures that have nothing to do with commitment between two women or men in a God blessed relationship. HENCE these commited gay people are not in scripture.

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not an action. That is not in scripture.

Again, what do you mean?

Is there any scripture that specifically says only a man and a woman can be married? OR, specifically forbids any other kind of marriage?

Yes, there is. That doesnt mean "we" have to agree with it.

If you are a christian, you can give me context behind these verses:

In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband

Christianity says marriage is between man and woman.

My OP says, is it descriminitory to say "love gays but hate their actions"? To me, thats say "I love you, but I hate what part of you makes you, you"

 

[jojom]

I ask again, what do you mean?

Explain your statement, paraphrased: "According to scripture a lot of gay people are not gay." It's the equivalent of saying. "According to scripture X is not X." It simply doesn't make sense, in fact it violates the laws of identity and of non-contradiction.

If you are a christian, you can give me context behind these verses:

In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband​

Not a Christian, and neither of these says only a man and a woman can be married OR, specifically forbids any other kind of marriage.​

Christianity says marriage is between man and woman.

And I agree. Marriage is between man and woman, and between a man and a man, and between a woman and a woman.


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[Unveiled Artist]

Explain your statement, paraphrased: "According to scripture a lot of gay people are not gay." It's the equivalent of saying. "According to scripture X is not X." It simply doesn't make sense, in fact it violates the laws of identity and of non-contradiction.

Not a Christian, and neither of these says only a man and a woman can be married OR, specifically forbids any other kind of marriage.​

And I agree. Marriage is between man and woman, and between a man and a man, and between a woman and a woman.


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It is also a cultural thing. Marriage has ways been between man and woman in Jewish culture. It took me awhile tonaccept what the Bible teaches. It is immoral to say only straight people can marry; who, am I to adjust this religious and cultural fact because I heavily disagree. We cant change the meaning of scripture just because we disagree with it. When God wanted His creation to multiply, He intended that for man and woman. A lot of husbands in the bible had wives not other hushands.

Maybe share where it says homosexuality is not a sin ans marriage between two people are okay in the bible, may help me a bit?

So car of reading the full NT, it has always been man and woman. "The Bible does not support any other marrital relationship" It does say two people can love each other.

It is a common sense thing.

Homosexuality, according to scripture, is defined by actions.

Marriage is a commitment (not legal document) to have a family by biological offspring (which many cultures believe in today as was back then)

Marriage/blessed commitment is not right for two people if those two people commit gay actions that is against God. In my view, why get married if only to look at the person you love.

The bible also says that not all people are called to marriage.

I dont see culturally ans scripturely where scripture suppoets gay marriage because one, its betwenn man and woman, and two gay married people may feel they want to consumate their marriage; they cant according to scripture.

I dont like it. Its wrong. I disagree. I cant change what it says. It doesnt represent something I set my life on.

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Homosexuality in scripture is the lust of any two people of the same gender.

If a homosexual today does not lust over who they love, the passages in scripture do not apply to them.

They are not homosexual, according to scripture, because some people dont lust over others. They love them.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

I hear your opinion and though I have expressed my opinion which differs from yours, I can not successfully argue against your statements.

 

[Crash]

I hear your opinion and though I have expressed my opinion which differs from yours, I can not successfully argue against your statements.

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

I hear your opinion on why you feel the comment is indeed discriminatory. I have a different opinion, but I can not successfully argue against your opinion on the matter.

 

[Crash]

Homosexuality may or may not be a "choice" but religion most assuredly is a "choice" . being religious refers to doing something on a regular basis not necessarily believing in anything. So the very definition of the word denotes choice. To state it's not an interest or hobby narrows the definition so much it makes the word nearly unusable in this discussion, Since all "Religion"is to some degree an interest and a hobby. to say anyone practices religion without liking it is naive or uneducated. Since people practice not only for belief but the social aspect as well Religion as used in this discussion is " taken up" because of its life altering values. All honest Christian's will admit to not always practicing what they preach. They're human too. It's also reasonable to make the statement " I love you, but not what you do" no different than loving an addict but not their addiction. Parents often love their children while at the same time not liking who they are. What seems to be the case today is the lgbt community believes in equal rights so long as they define what equal is. Discrimination is an action not a thought. Though a statement may be offensive it doesn't discriminate on its own without action.

 

[Revoltingest]

Homosexuality may or may not be a "choice" but religion most assuredly is a "choice" . being religious refers to doing something on a regular basis not necessarily believing in anything. So the very definition of the word denotes choice. To state it's not an interest or hobby narrows the definition so much it makes the word nearly unusable in this discussion, Since all "Religion"is to some degree an interest and a hobby. to say anyone practices religion without liking it is naive or uneducated. Since people practice not only for belief but the social aspect as well Religion as used in this discussion is " taken up" because of its life altering values. All honest Christian's will admit to not always practicing what they preach. They're human too. It's also reasonable to make the statement " I love you, but not what you do" no different than loving an addict but not their addiction. Parents often love their children while at the same time not liking who they are. What seems to be the case today is the lgbt community believes in equal rights so long as they define what equal is. Discrimination is an action not a thought. Though a statement may be offensive it doesn't discriminate on its own without action.

Is religion a choice?
I see that it can be for some, but for many of us there is no choice whatsoever.
I could no more choose to not be an atheist than I could choose to be gay.

 

[rusra02]

I think god slipped these passages in so as to set the stage for absolving his own misdeeds: love me despite all the bad I've done.


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I am unaware of any bad thing or misdeed the true God is guilty of.

 

[jojom]

I am unaware of any bad thing or misdeed the true God is guilty of.

Well, if you take having regret indicative of having done something bad or a misdeed, we have.

Gen. 6:6
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

1 Sam 15:35
Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel.​

And even though Gen 8:20-22 doesn't say god regretted what he did, saying he would never do it again may suggests regret.

20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

22 “As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”
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And, of course, there are all the killings of innocent lives he committed, which almost everyone considers to be bad.

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[JoStories]

EDIT

Thats like my saying, "I love my Catholic friend, but I disagree with her religion." Its not like sports where I love base ball and she basket ball. Religion is who that person is. If one cant accept that person's religion; agree to it insofar that they dont compromise their own faith, why be friends? Its a continous insult if I dislike Christianity and became friends with her. I wouldnt want to like christianity To become friends but because she is my friend, I will never say "I love you but I disagree with your faith." Its more. "I love you and I accept EDIT: LOVE who you are in Christ Regardless of my beliefs"

First of all, I don't agree that religion is who that person is. It is but one aspect and it is their faith, not who they are. I have friends I love who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Pagan and so on. I may disagree with their faiths, although I find that word to be misleading really, but I surely don't hate them. I love them all. I guess a good example is my dear friend Kathy. A Christian woman who is somewhat racist and cannot abide gays. She doesnt know I am Bi but I still love her for her. She is an amazing woman and would give her heart to anyone who asked. Just because her faith has her believing what she does doesn't change a thing.

 

[JoStories]

I am unaware of any bad thing or misdeed the true God is guilty of.

Truly? What of Lot and his daughters? What of his wife? What of Abraham and his son or his concubine? What of the genocide of Egypt? And the first born sons? And so on. If that does not paint God in a rather poor light, I don't know what does. Of course, I don't believe God did any of that.

 

[JoStories]

Say a parent is racist and her child grown up in a non segregated. Would it be right for the parent to love that child but dislike him being friends with an african american (say they are caurcasian)? I mean, the parent has to love All of him. He isnt doing anythimg bad just somrthing against the parents morals. It isnt about the parent but the child.

That child would be crushed if the parent said "I love you but not you being friends with John"

The child would be upset and has a right to be. Thats his mother.

That kind of scenario happens almost every day Carlita. People disown their children for marrying a person of color. Or being gay. Or choosing the wrong field of work. It happens. What then is the point here? People who hold strong beliefs such as Blacks are lesser or that gays are abominations are not about to change in some way over night. It's what they were taught and how they live. We just recently had a pile of KKK literature placed in a laundromat, or so I am told, here in Maine and the proprietors decided to let them leave it. What shall we do? Course, I will never set foot in that place again. (*they were my dry cleaners) but it won't change that they endorse racist literature.

 

[JoStories]

I totally disagree (which should be in the Guinnessss). Homosexuality is not a choice And it is part of who we are. Religion is not a choice, because it is who that person is.

A religion is not a dogma. It is a spiritual lifestyle that a person takes up not because he "likes it" but because it resonates with him. It's not an interest or a hobby. They call it faith, practice, path, etc; but, that does not change the fact that it is a religion: they Practice what they Believe in. Why believe in something that they don't practice. Why "take up" a religion (which I find odd), if it is just a hobby they chose and not a part of their lives.

Homosexuality is not a choice, yes. It is a part of who we are. If someone says "to me" that they love me but hate homosexuality--to me specifically--(the intent of saying, I love you but not your actions), that's like my saying to them "I love you, but not what makes you You.)

---Point--

The phrase in the OP is just so contradictory and wrong.

It's like saying: "I love you but not makes you, You"

Very different than

I dislike your behavior but I like you nonetheless.

Religion is not a choice? Excuse me but bull merde. A child has NO religion. Not until they have the capacity for abstract thought. You intimate that we are born to be of one faith and that is simply not true. I have been Christian for a time, Pagan for a long while and now Buddhist for the last 20 or more years. It is what I believe, not who I am.

 

[illykitty]

Hmm, well it's walking a fine line. Because if I say it is discriminatory then I'd have to accept that disliking any aspect of a person's behaviour, tastes or lifestyle would be discriminatory too. And that's not what I believe. But at the same time, I feel some say this phrase to mask their homophobia. Some people do say it sincerely though, because they are very faithful to their religion's interpretations but they don't hate the persons who have behaviours their religion disproves of.

To me as long as they are not overtly displaying hatred and not trying to impose this on everyone, I can let that slide. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't, because there are behaviours I dislike too. I can't agree to the sentence and might challenge someone saying such a thing but I'm more concerned about people who are violent, who try to change laws and discriminate. I feel people who are genuine are trying to follow their religion and still love people even if I disagree with this (heh, see how this works?) Would I be discriminatory towards them, since I dislike that point of view? I don't feel that I am.

You've never disliked anything other people said, did or liked? I mean isn't this thread an expression of you not liking this opinion? Then are you discriminatory?

Also, I think I probably have a slightly different view of what a person is. I don't equate a whole person with one thing I dislike about them, that would be unfair, no one's perfect. I also don't equate my whole being with little aspects of my personality, likes, dislikes, behaviours... I don't embody bisexuality, it is a small part of who I am and I don't care if people dislike that, if they can see me as being more than just a bisexual. I am more than that. I think it's reducing a person to see it this way. It would be like saying I dislike smoking and view people who smoke as nothing more than smokers. They are people, there's more to them than smoking.