And the new and dangerous fascists for others.
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Is Trump / MAGA / the US Fascist?
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Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Controlled Mass Media
Trump: YES; MAGA: some (DeSantis); US: NO
He has repeatedly made it very clear that he will try to yank the broadcasting licenses of all non-Trump-supporting networks, and arrest the administrators of those networks on day one.
1st amendment be damned.
Trump wears a businessman costume. He should be wearing a prison jumpsuit.
Heyo
Veteran Member
No.
"Mein Kampf" was already out in '33. His fascist ideas were known.
What we have from Trump is "The Art of the Deal", which he didn't write himself, and, afaik, it doesn't contain fascist ideas.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Sorry.
I don’t get what either (or both) of you are implying.Are you suggesting a McCarthy-esque unreasoning hatred of Fascisism? Or aspiring autocrats?
Or somehow knowingly citing The Insurrectionist’s repeated threats to sic the military on the Left-wingers (“enemies within”) in our nation?
Because the former would suggest a willful ignorance on your parts of how autocrats historically come to power, as well as tRump’s own words.
While the latter….. you’re not conveying; but the McCarthy-esque fear-mongering and divisive anger, report your neighbor and family members sort of madness, is actually directly from The Insurrectionist’s *******-shaped mouth.
Sometimes terms are applied as mere insult.
Few of the many accused "communists" advocated
that individuals may not own property, both private
& the means of production.
Example....
Harris is a hard leftie, but....
Trump is wrong. Harris is not a communist.
Former President Donald Trump frequently derides Vice President Kamala Harris as "Comrade Kamala." He says she must be s
www.politifact.com
But Trump does arguably fit definitions of "fascist".
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Fascism - Wikipedia
The big question is whether he'd be able to implement
a fascist regime. He's been a rather weak leader because
the 2 party system requires working with the opposition
to accomplish much. So while he'd steer the country in
a more authoritarian & theocratic direction, full blown
fascism looks unlikely (but possible).
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That's because I'm not implying anything. I'm simply stating that many people bandy about that word.Sorry.
Why bother with stating the
obvious with no point to make?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
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Why not? Maybe some people need to hear it.
Many Magas are uneducated & have no penis.
Some people need to hear it.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yep, some people do. We can say it together if you like. Many people bandy about the Fascist word and many (but not all) MAGAS are uneducated and have no penis.
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Pogo
Well-Known Member
Yeah so, we have immigration laws and TPS and lots of other scenarios. does than justify misrepresenting them?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Harris on the other hand is definitely Marxist communist friendly.
Price controls for instance are straight from the communist handbook.
I have yet to hear a Republican yelling , "Fascism wins" ! Either.
Trump does propose control of mass media. It just happens that his tools are so far ineffective.
Your inability to answer my question is answer enough.
I'm sorry as well.Sorry.
Not a true or relevant statement in any way.
Like Trump's tariffs? It's direct government control, but in the wrong dirction to what will help the American consumer. He wants to implement them and they will increase prices dramatically. He thinks this will force corporations to manufacture in the USA. It won't. And retailers like Walmart and Target will see fewer sales since the disposable income will have less buying power, and that means less profit.
What Harris plans to do is fine any corporation that increases prices on products when there's clear evidence it was not due to increased costs of production. Like if a company sells 12 ounces of cookies for $4 and suddenly the packages are 10.2 ounces at the same price. It's called shrinkflation and a common practice these days.
No fascists ever do. They pretend they are democratic and the other side is their enemy. Look at Jan 6. Those gullible fools thought they were fighting for democracy, and only because they believed Trump's lies. That's how fascism happens: stupid citizens believing a disturbed and chronic liar.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Your statement is bizarre, since it seems to suggest that opposition to fascism is a recent phenomenon. Historically, both were antidemocratic and anti-American. In some sense, they were just opposite sides of the same coin.
No, if he were an actual Fascist, he'd care more about the environment, want the government to have the ultimate say over the private sector, set up state controlled labor unions (which is what Fascist corporatism is), wouldn't have been a draft dodger, have public works programs, would promote high brow art and culture, stop sending our money and weaponry to other countries, etc. I'd honestly like him more. Lol. People just like using it as an insult, like "communist" or "socialist". Both the modern Democrats and the Republicans have general authoritarian leanings these days, and both are agents of the Empire, keeping the military-industrial-corporate-prison complex going.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I have no idea why you associate fascism with environmentalism, but JD Vance did say back in May that one could call the US a "fascist state". Maybe that's what he was thinking of--a country with environmental, safety, and public welfare regulations. Most Americans define it more closely to Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly's description:
Kelly pointed The New York Times to a definition of fascism: “It’s a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy.”
“So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America,” Kelly said.
Kelly added that Trump is in the “far-right area,” and “admires people who are dictators,” which in Kelly’s view places Trump in “the general definition of fascist.”
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