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Is Trump Mentally Well Enough to be President?

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
Interesting thread, from a European's point of view, I am old enough to have lived through the Reagan years when I was flabbergasted (my gasts had never been so flabbered) that a 'B' movie actor could make it as the most powerful man in the world. My fears were unfounded as Reagan proved to be a stable and highly popular president (in America at least) despite sounding like a slightly senile uncle at times.
At least Trump was undeniably good as a businessman (in terms of making money), his main profession, Reagan couldn't even get the 'A' roles as an actor! Trump doesn't sound mad to me, he sounds like an opportunist, he sounds like a man with a massive ego, he sounds like a man who knows how to push the right buttons with the electorate. Do I like him? No. Do I think he talks sense most of the time? No. Am I worried he is insane and will cause a global catastrophe? No, though I think his ideas on global warming and environmental change are probably more dangerous than the fact he has authority to launch a nuclear missile strike.
Trump strikes me as a salesman, he can sell an idea to the gullible and make them believe they are getting what they were sold. As someone else has said you have to be slightly nuts to want to be a world leader!
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Seems like the evidence is mounting that Trump might not be well enough to be president.



[Source]

The Washington Post Op-ed article can be found here, but it's behind a paywall.
I'm wondering if we as a people, are mentally well enough to elect a proper and effective leader?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It's my opinion that there really is no reasonable expectation of ever seeing the country of our birth again. Yes, we will all suffer and grieve for our motherland. But acceptance is the fifth and final stage of grief according to Kubler-Ross.

I agree with whomever it was that said that Trump is not the problem. He's just another symptom of a nation with multisystem failure: government, the media, the schools, corporate America, and most importantly, the intellectual and moral reserve of the American people, who 35-40% of which think still approve of Trump. Where is the cavalry coming from? Nowhere, I say.

Too pessimistic? Too defeatist?
If your assessment is correct, history shows that bloody revolution will be the inevitable result.

But we've been here, before. And a lot of American blood was spilled, but the people won in the end. It was just after the turn of the last century, and the "robber-barons" were the nation's ruling elite, with the nation's corrupt police departments acting as their paid goons and enforcers. Bloody riots ensued, and American citizens suffered and died in the fighting. The nation finally fell into a severe economic depression as the greed and abuse of power of the robber-barons destroyed the very economy that they were all feeding on. But in the end they were vanquished. Their greed eventually drove the American people together. And together we were able to use our labor unions to take back some economic control from the oligarchs, and gain some influence in the halls of our own government.

But sadly, that generation of Americans are all gone, now, and their children and grandchildren did not learn the lessons needed to maintain and protect the freedom and power their parents fought and died to gain. So, now, the "robber-barons" are back. They have successfully crushed our unions and our unity and they have fully corrupted our government and they are driving the American people back into economic enslavement. And we are not only letting them do it to us, we are ENCOURAGING them through our own ignorance, and confusion, and most of all, through our disunity and enmity toward each other. Because this time the oligarchs have the power of the media. And with it they can apparently control our hearts and minds.

The future looks very bleak, indeed.
 
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It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If your assessment is correct, history shows that bloody revolution will be the inevitable result.

But we've been here, before. And a lot of American blood was spilled, but the people won in the end. It was just after the turn of the last century, and the "robber-barons" were the nation's ruling elite, with the nation's corrupt police departments acting as their paid goons and enforcers. Bloody riots ensued, and American citizens suffered and died in the fighting. The nation finally fell into a severe economic depression as the greed and abuse of power of the robber-barons destroyed the very economy that they were all feeding on. But in the end they were vanquished. Their greed eventually drove the American people together. And together we were able to use our labor unions to take back some economic control from the oligarchs, and gain some influence in the halls of our own government.

But sadly, that generation of Americans are all gone, now, and their children and grandchildren did not learn the lessons needed to maintain and protect the freedom and power their parents fought and died to gain. So, now, the "robber-barons" are back. They have successfully crushed our unions and our unity and they have fully corrupted our government and they are driving the American people back into economic enslavement. And we are not only letting them do it to us, we are ENCOURAGING them through our own ignorance, and confusion, and most of all, through our disunity and enmity toward each other. Because this time the oligarchs have the power of the media. And with it they can apparently control our hearts and minds.

The future looks very bleak, indeed.

If you meant the future of America, I'd say that Americans need to adjust to a new reality that will be less than the old one, but still one that can be navigated skillfully for those wise enough to do so. More people will have to work harder for less in return, but they won't starve or be tortured on the rack.

The future of the world may be rosier than the future of America.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Trump is not mentally well enough to be president, and we all knew that before he was elected. The question of his sanity aside, he just simply lacks the proper temperament and reserve. He also does not appear to have enough mental focus for the job. He ethics are disconcerting, and he simply does not care about the American citizens. People can argue over his mental wellness all they want, but even a sane Trump has proven he is not mentally fit for the role of president.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
As long as he continues his agenda I could really care less what he says.
When one accepts attacks without responding in kind only invites more attacks, at least that is my opinion.

"When one accepts attacks without responding in kind only invites more attacks"

Sometimes it is just better to ignore the "attack" and move on, and you know this. You only came up with this nonsense to defend Trump's actions.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
"When one accepts attacks without responding in kind only invites more attacks"

Sometimes it is just better to ignore the "attack" and move on, and you know this. You only came up with this nonsense to defend Trump's actions.
Nope, just to stir-the-pot.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
As long as he continues his agenda I could really care less what he says.
When one accepts attacks without responding in kind only invites more attacks, at least that is my opinion.
Very dangerous voters. You support the president acting like a child. Nanny-nanny-boo-boo. It's time to turn on real news for a change.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
Sure, it does my heart good to see the reaction of those that supported the Obama and now it's their turn in the barrel. Not saying you supported the Obama of course.

I was well aware Republicans would likely come back into power, I just didn't know they would be so stupid about it.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I was well aware Republicans would likely come back into power, I just didn't know they would be so stupid about it.
The GOP wins elections by panic mongering propaganda. They scare people into voting one way over another. This past election they went so far as to enlist our enemies to hack our own country.
I bet if you ask esmith why he hates Obama so much, he couldn't tell you his #1 gripe with Obama.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Here's the problem with the loss of democracy: You can't recover it with democratic activities like the one you're suggesting: voting. Collecting signatures, writing Congressmen, assembling to protest, running for office, third parties - all fail to make any difference. And you can't expect the people that stole the government to give it back. If you can't take it back, you won't see democracy again.

To some extent, I think what we're seeing now is what happens when the "powers that be" start to lose control of a situation. Trump is not the only one being analyzed here. Those reacting to him like a pack of wild banshees gives one the indication of what happens when people lose control of a game which had been previously stacked in their favor. They're as indignant as thieves who are outraged at being robbed by another thief.

That seems to be the major Achilles' Heel of the aristocratic mindset. They have an obvious superiority complex and feel entitled to rule and that everyone should mindlessly go along with them. When they are challenged, they invariably revert to a more childish approach, as we're seeing here. The rhetoric taking place these days is reminiscent of those who think they're the "cool kids" picking on the "uncool" or the "mentally challenged." The piling on which is taking place seems as if there is some kind of panicky obsession over Trump.

And you can't take it back as they did in the late 18th century. At that time, it was musket against musket and cannot against cannon. Today, there is no hope of defeating an oppressive American government. While modern day minute men are loading their assault rifles, the government is cutting off their power and water, rolling tanks down their streets, seizing their bank accounts, cancelling their credit cards, and if they feel like it, launching a missile from low earth orbit up your dog's pitoot. As I see it, you'd pretty much need the majority of the military to mutiny, as well as to get most government employees to refuse orders.

Perhaps, although the one thing that's evident in all this hullabaloo over Russian hackers is that our government is quite vulnerable in multiple ways. Snowden's defection caused major ripples which would not be possible for a single individual to do in a government which was stable and solid.

I don't really believe that anyone has any hope of defeating an oppressive American government, although what's more likely to happen is a continued sense of malaise and torpor across the board. Workers will just go through the motions. Quality of standards and service will diminish. There will be more breakdown, deterioration of infrastructure, more potholes, more traffic jams, slower mail, slower internet, more dropped calls and electric outages. People will just stop caring.

The military might still be formidable, and there might be tanks rolling down the pothole-ridden streets. But the mechanisms by which we are governed will work even more poorly than they do now. But on the plus side, the military will soon no longer have the wherewithal to engage in multiple overseas operations as they do now.

Of course, what we have now are different factions within government at odds with each other, so whatever political disputes exist in the US would also be played out within the government and military itself. Another potential vulnerability is that the government has privatized many functions upon which they depend.

So, if what I just described is correct or approaching correct, what to do? I say it's still love it or leave it, where by love I mean accept the new reality and try to adapt to live with it as the people of all unresponsive states do.

Some people are leaving it, although I don't really see it as either/or question. One can still love America without loving its government. When it's no longer a government "of the people," and "the government" and "the people" somehow become at odds with each other, with whom should we side: The government or the people?

The government is not there for you and me. it now serves corporate interests. The corporations are its citizens, and the common man capital that serve the corporations and the uberwealthy. Isn't that what the proposed changes in the tax code and the ACA tell us? Poor people with health problems are like a work horse with a broken leg. They have no more inherent value to these people than that.

Yep, although the trouble with running things in this manner is that it never really lasts. There's an air of short-sighted recklessness in a lot of what these corporate interests are doing. The corporate overlords of yesteryear were just as bad, if not worse, than the current generations, but at least the ones from the 19th and early 20th centuries had a plan for the future which is conspicuously absent nowadays. It's just like how Hollywood can do nothing but remakes now. The corporate interests and ruling classes have no imagination anymore, and they've pretty much run out of ideas.

I agree with whomever it was that said that Trump is not the problem. He's just another symptom of a nation with multisystem failure: government, the media, the schools, corporate America, and most importantly, the intellectual and moral reserve of the American people, who 35-40% of which think still approve of Trump. Where is the cavalry coming from? Nowhere, I say.

Too pessimistic? Too defeatist?

I suppose it could be seen as pessimistic or defeatist, although that's just a matter of perspective. In recent decades, I've heard a lot of people talk about America in decline, "the country is going down the tubes," or "the country is going to hell in a handbasket." Such talk is rather common actually, and it has been for as long as I can remember.

I don't believe that there's any "cavalry" coming to the rescue either. I think the ruling class will continue to try to find ways to keep the lower classes divided against each other, with the neo-liberals playing the identity politics card and the neo-conservatives playing the economic freedom card - while the elite laugh their way to the bank. But in doing so, they may be pouring a bit too much gasoline on the fire. They've engineered a policy where multiple factions now hate each other, but they've ostensibly created a monster which has gotten out of their control. With Trump in the White House, now they're really worried.
 
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