Is Truth Even Worth Searching For?

[Dezzie]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

 

[sandandfoam]

The conclusion that I reached is that there is no truth lying about waiting to be picked up. Whatever I am it is my fate to construct meaning/truth for myself.
I think of myself not as a seeker but rather as a builder.

 

[Willamena]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Perhaps "truth" doesn't lie in "proof" (which would seem to be indicated, if, as implied, truth can be proven). "Proof" lies in truth.

In other words, it seems to me that you're having a hard time seeing the forest because of all these darned trees.

 

[Dezzie]

The conclusion that I reached is that there is no truth lying about waiting to be picked up. Whatever I am it is my fate to construct meaning/truth for myself.
I think of myself not as a seeker but rather as a builder.

I considered myself as both a seeker and a builder of my own fate. I still like to learn things but seeking for the truth is just pointless to me now. Nothing has came from it... I am leaning more towards building myself up the way I feel is right... but yet... how do I know if I am building myself the right way? What if I'm not? What if God IS real... will he look down upon me because I developed myself opposite of what he wanted? Do I just go with the flow?

 

[Dezzie]

In other words, it seems to me that you're having a hard time seeing the forest because of all these darned trees.

Yeah... I think you are right... I've been so confused lately. I usually see that forest but it has been a little blurry as of late.

 

[sandandfoam]

I considered myself as both a seeker and a builder of my own fate. I still like to learn things but seeking for the truth is just pointless to me now. Nothing has came from it... I am leaning more towards building myself up the way I feel is right... but yet... how do I know if I am building myself the right way? What if I'm not? What if God IS real... will he look down upon me because I developed myself opposite of what he wanted? Do I just go with the flow?

As I see it the only reality for you is your reality. Right now that's a confused reality.
I realize there's different horses for different courses - but my route out of confused reality was just to sit down. Zazen. Then the wood and the trees began to seperate for me.
From my perspective I focused on stories rather than 'reality', a path emerged from the myths.
I'm not interested in literalism because I don't believe in truths. As I see it there is only experience - facts have only the reality invested in them by their subjective constructors.
Sitting down is the path for me. I don't know if this is of any assistance at all - but I hope so

 

[Revoltingest]

Lame aphorism time:

The search for truth is all about the search.
If you find it, then you've failed.

 

[Willamena]

I don't imagine it will help, but when I get confused, I just stop and think: "Here's me. There's you..." (to the world).

 

[Dezzie]

From my perspective I focused on stories rather than 'reality', a path emerged from the myths. I'm not interested in literalism because I don't believe in truths. As I see it there is only experience - facts have only the reality invested in them by their subjective constructors.

I agree with looking at personal experiences but it is still difficult for me to justify how and why those experiences happened.

For example, my Husband and I both left for the US Navy on the same day, went to the same bootcamp, were in brother divisions, went to the same school after bootcamp (at the same time), and became best friends. He's originally from Ohio... me from Massachusetts. This experience made me think it was fate... It made me begin to believe that God was there and helped us find one another... but how can I justify that it WAS God? Maybe it was just... a "magnetic" thing... maybe our physical charges attracted to one another and we just came together. Not sure if that makes any sense... I don't know a lot about Science so that's just a personal theory. lol But those are just some things I have thought. Maybe I should just forget about how we came together and just be glad it happened.

Your advice did help me think... Thank you

 

[Dezzie]

I don't imagine it will help, but when I get confused, I just stop and think: "Here's me. There's you..." (to the world).

Makes sense... I just look at the mystery of it all so much my brain basically explodes. Even after saying "Here's me. There's you..." I'll further more think... "but why? Why me and why you?" :foot: My brain hurts! :cover:

 

[Dezzie]

Lame aphorism time:

The search for truth is all about the search.
If you find it, then you've failed.

:bow: Amen

 

[Willamena]

I would suggest that it is much more helpful if it is 'just a "magnetic" thing.' Hold to the reassurance that when you think you've found it, that's not "it" because "it" isn't found in thought. It's found with no trying (or trial) at all.

 

[Dezzie]

I would suggest that it is much more helpful if it is 'just a "magnetic" thing.' Hold to the reassurance that when you think you've found it, that's not "it" because "it" isn't found in thought. It's found with no trying (or trial) at all.

I can agree with that statement... Thank you

 

[VenatorAnima]

The conclusion that I reached is that there is no truth lying about waiting to be picked up. Whatever I am it is my fate to construct meaning/truth for myself.
I think of myself not as a seeker but rather as a builder.

this... and this...

Perhaps "truth" doesn't lie in "proof" (which would seem to be indicated, if, as implied, truth can be proven). "Proof" lies in truth.

In other words, it seems to me that you're having a hard time seeing the forest because of all these darned trees.

 

[bobhikes]

You can find your proof. You can not find the proof for everyone. Debating is just for fun either you like it or you don't.

Finding my truth was an "ah ha" moment but after that pretty much "so what". I haven't yet figured out how to proceed. The fun was in getting there now that I got there what do you do how do you use it.

Life gets in the way of all truths. Society dictates how we live and this does not agree with any truth. How we should live and how we do live will never be the same even for the individual.

My closing is it worth searching for? Yes only if you are having fun doing it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Maybe stopping the search will reveal a few things which simply haven't been noticed all along during the chaos and chatter.

I personally still debate and question, but no longer have the impulse to search anymore.

 

[Storm]

Is Truth Even Worth Searching For?

Always.

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Well, that's another matter. I think we all need our impossible dreams to drive us to excel, but if theology isn't yours... well, no harm done.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything.

I know how you feel. On the Internet people delight in all kinds of psychological warfare and verbal aggression.

What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy.[/quote

Again, I can relate to what your saying. It seems there really is no point in searching here @ Religious Forums if you want to arrive at truth through introspecction. Too much argument. Our forum topics are getting really hostile, and the "discussions" hateful and vicious and overly proud.

{quote] We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

There's nothing for you to find here if everybody wants to be right all the time. Nothing but fighting.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Yes, but only for the masochist. Or someone who just enjoys arguing for its own sake and doesn't really care what's being said. If you're not careful, these forums will suck your soul right out of you.

 

[sunsplash]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Hmmm, I think you can be satisfied and even happy when you find a truth (subjective to your own perceptions of course) if you go in searching with an open mind and open heart. Give yourself some breathing room and embrace the change and possible errors you might discover along the way. If everything were black and white with a single prize waiting at the end of a maze that each person has to go through, the journey would be pretty boring, IMO, and the enlightenment found not as rewarding. Searching shouldn't be like going through a maze with deadends - it should be an interconnected path with multiple detours to try and a great view to boot. And if you find yourself at a deadend, look a little closer and there always seems to be secret passage, sized just for you to fit through.

Does that make the journey any less frustrating? Of course not, lol - but I think in searching and debating we gain clues to what we're looking for. I believe the answers will be found for each and every person, just some of us don't have the lightbulb go on until we die :slap:. Sure, sometimes I'd like to be one of those who's comfortable with a certain spiritual path here in this life because it seems (not necessarily is) so much easier for those people!! But then again I enjoy finding new knowledge and the seeking path is a path nonetheless, with a lot less rules and more fun to be had whist exploring. :beach:

(as always though...easier said than done)

 

[Penumbra]

I'm not so sure anymore. You can't seem to find proof in anything. What's the point in searching? I'm at a loss... We all seem to go around in circles with our forum topics and posts. No one ever finds or receives an answer that makes them happy. We are in a race trying to make it to the finish... but we just can't get there. It's likeThe Tortise and the Hair but they both die during the race. We keep insisting we will find what we are searching for but we never do.

Is there a point to search or debate with each other? :help:

Yes, the search for truth is a worthwhile pursuit. The truth is not an end, but instead is a process. An aspect of truth is to realize how little one knows.

It's like the tortoise and the hare but they both die during the race. The tortoise, however, realizes this fact and enjoys the scenery as she walks along.