Is vegan ethics based on the idea that man is equal or superior to animals?

[Sees]

Well a good farmer wouldn't have creatures that would suffer, if they were free to roam and weren't caged and didn't torture them when trying to eat them. If you're a good farmer, you won't have creatures that will suffer before they die and are used for meat. I've known vegans and vegetarians that had to go back to meat for certain health reasons so we are definitely designed to eat meat. If we weren't we wouldn't eat it in the first place. A tiger won't eat celery or onions because it's not designed to digest it.

I think we evolved to be omnivores but we still aren't perfectly adapted to handle meat (one of the reasons we cook it) or especially dairy (aside from human mother's milk during infancy)...people have to learn the diet personally most suited for them. If you tune it for you then you can see a lot of benefits.

 

[Iti oj]

a lion eats meat by necessity and human eats meat by choice.

the op is a strawman.

some vegans are on one side some on the other and others still neither and other positions

 

[Theweirdtophat]

I think we evolved to be omnivores but we still aren't perfectly adapted to handle meat (one of the reasons we cook it) or especially dairy (aside from human mother's milk during infancy)...people have to learn the diet personally most suited for them. If you tune it for you then you can see a lot of benefits.

I think there are others that don't handle meat as well as others. I thought we cook it because it tastes better, as raw fish can be eaten. It does depend on situations such as if you were a farmer you could grow lots of vegetables and not have to use meat. But if you're a hunter, it's difficult to survive on just fruit and vegetables out in the wild which is why many hunted as the meat provided much of the feast.

 

[Iti oj]

I think there are others that don't handle meat as well as others. I thought we cook it because it tastes better, as raw fish can be eaten. It does depend on situations such as if you were a farmer you could grow lots of vegetables and not have to use meat. But if you're a hunter, it's difficult to survive on just fruit and vegetables out in the wild which is why many hunted as the meat provided much of the feast.

cooking food increase bioavailability of nutrients.

Edit, yes one who lives off the land would likely need meat, but since I currently don't I don't eat meat, in our current society meats a choice not a necessity.

 

[jeager106]

You're from the same hillbilly stock as I am
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Yes and it's pretty hard to starve an ol' hillbilly.
I fish a 2 acre pond teaming with bass. I catch and release 99% but "she who must be obeyed"
wants a fresh fish dinner. I caught five 2 pounders and these are destined for the frying pan.

 

[psychoslice]

Because people eat "meat".
When we stop the animals will stop.

Ha, I don't think so, everything is food for everything.

 

[allfoak]

Ha, I don't think so, everything is food for everything.

The animal kingdom is part of us, as well as the vegetable and mineral kingdoms.
Everything you see is a reflection of yourself.
When humans stop being predatory the animals will naturally follow because they exist on a lower level of consciousness and are pulled up to a higher consciousness by us.

We have a very important job to do, we humans.
We are uniting heaven and earth (higher and lower consciousness).

 

[Iti oj]

I repeat a lion eats meat out of necessity and human(in current western society) eats meat by choice.

 

[allfoak]

I repeat a lion eats meat out of necessity and human(in current western society) eats meat by choice.

You are correct.
It is because we have the ability to choose that we can make the choice at all.
The lion has instinct.

Their consciousness can be raised up but we have to do it, they cannot.

 

[psychoslice]

The animal kingdom is part of us, as well as the vegetable and mineral kingdoms.
Everything you see is a reflection of yourself.
When humans stop being predatory the animals will naturally follow because they exist on a lower level of consciousness and are pulled up to a higher consciousness by us.

We have a very important job to do, we humans.
We are uniting heaven and earth (higher and lower consciousness).

No sorry, I cannot buy that at all.

 

[Iti oj]

You are correct.
It is because we have the ability to choose that we can make the choice at all.
The lion has instinct.

Their consciousness can be raised up but we have to do it, they cannot.

You are correct.
It is because we have the ability to choose that we can make the choice at all.
The lion has instinct.

Their consciousness can be raised up but we have to do it, they cannot.

a lion physically can not live on a plant based diet, humans can. its not about consciousness. a conscious lion would still need to eat meet.

 

[allfoak]

When one's consciousness is raised up through purification of the mind and body these kinds of changes can take place.
The animals are indeed part of us.
Since the animal kingdom is one of 7 kingdoms within us, it is up to us to raise them up.
They can't do it themselves.

 

[allfoak]

No sorry, I cannot buy that at all.

Then take it is my gift to you.

 

[HonestJoe]

The only way this makes sense is to assume that man is superior to animals and has a moral obligation to never harm them, simply because man is the most evolved and with great evolution comes great responsibility.

You don't need to assume a general superiority of humans to recognise the moral responsibilities that come with our intelligence and awareness. Loads of different species are better than others at one thing or another but that doesn't make them superior to everything else.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

The animal kingdom is part of us, as well as the vegetable and mineral kingdoms.
Everything you see is a reflection of yourself.
When humans stop being predatory the animals will naturally follow because they exist on a lower level of consciousness and are pulled up to a higher consciousness by us.

We have a very important job to do, we humans.
We are uniting heaven and earth (higher and lower consciousness).

What kind of new age hippie stuff are you talking about?
Animals existed and ate meat millions of years before human beings came into existence? So how on earth does it make sense to assume we have something to do with it?

What do you think T-rex's ate?

 

[psychoslice]

Then take it is my gift to you.

No thanks, there might be a bomb in there lol.

 

[Iti oj]

When one's consciousness is raised up through purification of the mind and body these kinds of changes can take place.
The animals are indeed part of us.
Since the animal kingdom is one of 7 kingdoms within us, it is up to us to raise them up.
They can't do it themselves.

no , lions biologically require meat. physically they cant process plants properly

 

[allfoak]

What kind of new age hippie stuff are you talking about?
Animals existed and ate meat millions of years before human beings came into existence? So how on earth does it make sense to assume we have something to do with it?

What do you think T-rex's ate?

You made me laugh.
Thank you.

Sounds like foolishness, i know.
If i told you why it sounds like foolishness you would think i was completely crazy.
So just enjoy.
Use it as entertainment.

 

[allfoak]

no , lions biologically require meat. physically they cant process plants properly

I am suggesting that perhaps we could change that one day.
Through the purification of the human race the animal kingdom will also change.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

You made me laugh.
Thank you.

Sounds like foolishness, i know.
If i told you why it sounds like foolishness you would think i was completely crazy.
So just enjoy.
Use it as entertainment.

well... okay dude