Isaiah 45:7 does God really create evil?

[BSM1]

At issue is whether or not you understand what it says, and you clearly do not.

And you may very well be right. However if we follow your logic than no one can know anything for sure because words, evidently, have no meaning, different meanings than their face values, or have meanings that are so esoteric that only one versed in at least three dead languages can decipher, let alone understand.

 

[Skwim]

And you may very well be right. However if we follow your logic than no one can know anything for sure because words, evidently, have no meaning, different meanings than their face values, or have meanings that are so esoteric that only one versed in at least three dead languages can decipher, let alone understand.

Yeah, for a book that was dictated, or just inspired, by god it certainly doesn't come off as one. There are scads of versions of the Bible and seemingly endless updates to it. Some versions at odds with each other, and some even with passages at odds with other passages within the very same book. Then there are those that change a word or two in new editions, sometimes radically changing the meaning of a verse. If I were a thinking believer it would certainly raise doubts in my mind about the book.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And you may very well be right. However if we follow your logic than no one can know anything for sure because words, evidently, have no meaning, ...

What do you know about Biblical Hebrew and writing style? Why do you think that the more recent renderings of Isaiah, including the NKJV, NASB, NJB, and JPS, have dispensed with the word 'evil'?

Words have meaning - often multiple meanings. Idioms have meaning. Both can be misunderstood and mistranslated.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yeah, for a book that was dictated, or just inspired, by god it certainly doesn't come off as one. ... If I were a thinking believer it would certainly raise doubts in my mind about the book.

And you are all about denigrating the book and those who value it. But such pettiness is not particularly relevant to the question at hand.

 

[BSM1]

What do you know about Biblical Hebrew and writing style? Why do you think that the more recent renderings of Isaiah, including the NKJV, NASB, NJB, and JPS, have dispensed with the word 'evil'?

Words have meaning - often multiple meanings. Idioms have meaning. Both can be misunderstood and mistranslated.

To paraphrase Freud "..sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Just saying that sometimes we can only go by what is presented to us. Let us not forget that God also created pretentiousness.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To paraphrase Freud "..sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

And sometimes petulant avoidance is petulant avoidance. My questions stand.

 

[Skwim]

And you are all about denigrating the book and those who value it. But such pettiness is not particularly relevant to the question at hand.

I apologize for bringing the facts of the matter to your attention and disturbing you. And I'm sorry that you are unable to see that an honest evaluation of one's god in light of the claims made for him comes off as denigrating. I would think that any belief that couldn't stand up to a genuine appraisal might produce a reevaluation rather than resentment. Obviously I was wrong. But be that as it may, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else, I simply thought my points were relevant to the discussion. Hopefully, others will profit by my observations.

 

[allright]

The verse means God brings evil on people as judgement for sin the ultimate being cast into hell

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The verse means God brings evil on people as judgement for sin the ultimate being cast into hell

No, it does not.

 

[allright]

No, it does not.

Yes it does

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes it does

If you want to wallow in a disgusting theology that arrogantly and senselessly seeks to blame the victim, that is your ugly choice. But this is ugliness that you read into the text, not out of it.

 

[allright]

If you want to wallow in a disgusting theology that arrogantly and senselessly seeks to blame the victim, that is your ugly choice. But this is ugliness that you read into the text, not out of it.

Are you trying to tell me God doesnt bring evil on people as judgement for sin and to bring them to repentance Then you tell me why does he bring calamity (Is 45:7 new king james)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Are you trying to tell me God doesnt bring evil on people as judgement for sin.

Are you trying to tell us that the rape victim, the tsunami victim, the holocaust victim is being punished for past sins? Seriously?

Then you tell me why does he create calamity (Is 45:7 new king james)

Read Job.

 

[allright]

Are you trying to tell us that the rape victim, the tsunami victim, the holocaust victim is being punished for past sins? Seriously?
Read Job.

The righteous are being tested by calamity, sinners and rebels are being judged to either destroy them or to bring them to repentance

Read Deutoromy 28

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The righteous [the rape victim, the tsunami victim, the holocaust victim - JS] are being tested by calamity, ...

Very sick.

Did they pass or fail your test?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Getting back to Isaiah 45:7, 'evil' remains a poor and antiquated translation.

 

[allright]

Very sick.

Did they pass or fail your test?

Why did God allowed this?

 

[CMike]

G-D has created everything.

Why should it surprise anyone?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Getting back to Isaiah 45:7, 'evil' remains a poor and antiquated translation.

Getting back to Isaiah 45:7 ...

 

[CMike]

What brings us closer to G-D is picking good over evil.

I there is no evil to pick from we are robots.