ISIS creates sex slave jail with Yezidi women

[Alceste]

Moral? I think it is pretty corrupted.

Me too. The world's biggest bully, if we're being completely candid.

 

[Alceste]

Let me rephrase that. It is modern morality that is being called on the carpet. The goal is to tarnish modern morality, not specifically the USA's reputation. It is to frame modern life as evil specifically to Muslims.

I don't think it has anything to do with us. Their aspiration is to govern a united, culturally homogeneous Islamic Caliphate across the ME. To them, we're just a means to an end. Since they recruit (like everyone) by nurturing outrage against some foreign villain, the fact that the US and its allies are predictably villainous is the reason Islamists use us - very effectively - as their recruiting tool.

If the US couldn't be relied upon to react with excessive force in every situation, al Qaeda would have picked somebody else to provoke. Maybe Russia or China.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I don't think it has anything to do with us. Their aspiration is to govern a united, culturally homogeneous Islamic Caliphate across the ME. To them, we're just a means to an end. Since they recruit (like everyone) by nurturing outrage against some foreign villain, the fact that the US and its allies are predictably villainous is the reason Islamists use us - very effectively - as their recruiting tool.

If the US couldn't be relied upon to react with excessive force in every situation, al Qaeda would have picked somebody else to provoke. Maybe Russia or China.

I'm going to cautiously agree. Russia and China both share a modern application of morality with us and Europe, albeit with some differences between us. We all agree that ways of the past are not automatically the best.

 

[Alceste]

I'm going to cautiously agree. Russia and China both share a modern application of morality with us and Europe, albeit with some differences between us. We all agree that ways of the past are not automatically the best.

I'm not so sure there is that much common moral ground between China and the west. I see such concerns as a sales pitch for the masses (AKA recruits) rather than a foundational consideration of the leaders of the Islamist movement.

As to Russia, it was in the aftermath of Afghanistan's war with the USSR that the Taliban took the country. At that time, the USSR could also be relied upon to react with excessive force, and bankrupt themselves in the process.

We are now seeing history repeat itself on a much larger scale, and we've obviously learned absolutely nothing from the mistakes of the past.

 

[Father Heathen]

You mean it, don't you?

Yes, the fact that you would rather victims be raped with impunity rather than be saved by remote controlled devices is quite bizarre and demented.

 

[Alceste]

Yes, the fact that you would rather victims be raped with impunity rather than be saved by remote controlled devices is quite bizarre and demented.

How are those remote controlled devices going to distinguish between the rapists and the rapees when dropping their bombs on IS strongholds?

They're not. They can't. The women and children and their abductors will all die because they're all in the target area together. I fail to see how that is a better solution than attempting a rescue, or attempting to evacuate women and children from areas controlled by IS to prevent further abductions, or surgically assassinating or capturing the leaders of the movement, etc.

I know my own preference if I were one of these women would be to tolerate the abuse, survive it and plot an escape rather than die in a bombing raid.