ISIS is repeating what Mohammed did a 1400 years back.

[icehorse]

Hey Britedream,

1- I agree that the documentary "claimed" that Islamic conquest was not violent. I think there is a LOT of evidence to the contrary.

Then you said:

...but you can not blame a religion based on the mistakes of some of it's followers.

In that case, you cannot give religion credit for anything either.

 

[jeager106]

As a religion Islam is deeply flawed in it's dogma and practices and preaching
violence and hatred of non Islamics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyvi...islam_is_fundamentally_violent_and_flawed_as/

One of many links that explain the violent and flawed religion.

 

[Britedream]

Hey Britedream,

1- I agree that the documentary "claimed" that Islamic conquest was not violent. I think there is a LOT of evidence to the contrary.

Then you said:

In that case, you cannot give religion credit for anything either.

You said "I think...."

Well, I am sure you know, using your opinion is one of the fallacy of an argument, so you are entitled to your opinion.

You said "In that case...."

You may know as well, an appeal to minority is a logical fallacy.

 

[icehorse]

Really Britedream? do you think those nits hold any water what so ever?

Alright then: There IS a lot of evidence that contradicts the claim that Islam was spread non-violently.
As far as the appeal to minority, I was directly responding to your claim, I don't see how this was an appeal to minority?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Muslims are human and they do mistakes, but you can not blame a religion based on the mistakes of some of it's followers.

Every religion holds its own ideas
Muslims follow the teachings of his religion
What are the teachings of Islam ??
Every Muslim could become a terrorist
The reason is that he believes in the teachings of the Islamic religion
Islam Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day

Is this education produces human beings who believe in peace
The Muslim who turns away from his religion is a good man
But when a Muslim committed to the teachings of his religion becomes a danger man
Give you an example
A village where a thousand people a Muslim
They are not all terrorists
But among them there are a hundred people believe fully in the teachings of the Koran
And want to apply the full teachings
Those terrorists
So Islam always produces terrorists

 

[YmirGF]

Really Britedream? do you think those nits hold any water what so ever?

Alright then: There IS a lot of evidence that contradicts the claim that Islam was spread non-violently.
As far as the appeal to minority, I was directly responding to your claim, I don't see how this was an appeal to minority?

I rather chuckled over the fact that the video starts off with a bunch of people riding over the sand blasted landscapes waving their swords.... LOL.... The video even says at the very beginning that Islam was spread by the sword AND through ideas, so they are openly admitting that Islam spread violently. It is an odd way to begin ones case that it was a non-violent expansion of love, peace and beards.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This is a film production and support of the Saudi money
He wants to save the collapse of Islamic Thought
Where is the empire of faith ??
Is ethics in Muhammad ??
Any faith with morality Mohammed ??
Where is the empire of faith ??
Is it in tribute ??
Empire fear ??
The empire mental ossification ??
Islam believes in myths ?
Paradise and Horyatea ?
Jihad and fighting ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I rather chuckled over the fact that the video starts off with a bunch of people riding over the sand blasted landscapes waving their swords.... LOL.... The video even says at the very beginning that Islam was spread by the sword AND through ideas, so they are openly admitting that Islam spread violently. It is an odd way to begin ones case that it was a non-violent expansion of love, peace and beards.

This film did not fall from the sky
It is the production of man, and the product always follow the financiers of production ??
The truth is that trying to spread ideas to say the wrong ??
Because Islam in Mecca did not believe in it , many ??
But after carrying the sword and having become the spoils of the laws of God in the land of Islam spread ??
So the truth can not be overshadowed by this sieve film

 

[Britedream]

Really Britedream? do you think those nits hold any water what so ever?

Alright then: There IS a lot of evidence that contradicts the claim that Islam was spread non-violently.
As far as the appeal to minority, I was directly responding to your claim, I don't see how this was an appeal to minority?

Thank you IceHorse,
You said "Really...".
Again this is your opinion, I respect it, but I disagree with it.

You said "Alright then...".
if you know those scholars are in error, please go and have them correct what they were saying, till then what they said stands.

You said "as far as the appeal..."

Well, you used the Minority to prove your point. Please go back and read your respond.

To use one's opinion or to commit a fallacy,to prove a point, leads no where. with that in mind, one might argue; you American are uncivilized, you are only held off by the police, take off the police from the big cities, such as New York, or Chicago, and see what happens to shops and people.

Is that a valid argument?.

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you IceHorse,
You said "Really...".
Again this is your opinion, I respect it, but I disagree with it.

You said "Alright then...".
if you know those scholars are in error, please go and have them correct what they were saying, till then what they said stands.

You said "as far as the appeal..."

Well, you used the Minority to prove your point. Please go back and read your respond.

To use one's opinion or to commit a fallacy,to prove a point, leads no where. with that in mind, one might argue; you American are uncivilized, you are only held off by the police, take off the police from the big cities, such as New York, or Chicago, and see what happens to shops and people.

Is that a valid argument?.

On the other hand, Argumentum ad populum, can also be used to descend the same slippery slope...

The point is virtually everything we know from the period is taken from the writings of Muhammad's very own fanatical followers, so we must take their writings with several boxes of salt and read between the lines (lies).

 

[icehorse]

Hi Britedream,

you said:

if you know those scholars are in error, please go and have them correct what they were saying, till then what they said stands.

Well history is subjective. Here's a much shorter video that gives a very stark counterpoint to the video you posted. Of course it's well known that Bill Warner is a harsh critic of Islam, but that doesn't mean his facts aren't correct:

 

[Britedream]

Hi Britedream,

you said:

Well history is subjective. Here's a much shorter video that gives a very stark counterpoint to the video you posted. Of course it's well known that Bill Warner is a harsh critic of Islam, but that doesn't mean his facts aren't correct:

Thank you IceHorse.
I understand you are trying to defend your points, and I appreciate that fact you are putting an effort to it, but this will not go well in discrediting the scholars who are mostly christian; if not all. your man, did not even come up with a number that is conceivable, he said, if I am not mistaken, that Muslims are enslaving one million in the war against christian. if they did that, how many millions did they kill. Muslims are not alone in this world, if this was the case, it will be known widely.

Please allow me to show a record not from muslims; as I showed from christian, I will show you from the Jews. you can depict from reading this history, how the Jews were doing in the golden age, under the muslim rules. see what happened to them under non muslims rule, and finally once they settled again under muslims rules.

Here is the link, Please read it.
http://www.lostanyaderos.com/LosTanyaderos.htm

 

[icehorse]

Hi Britedream,

Bill Warner is extremely well researched. How many other sources would I need to show you for you to be satisfied that the first 300 years of Islamic conquest was mostly violent?

Next, are you aware of the genocide of Hindus by Muslims that lasted for at least 500 years? Estimates range from 10 million to 80 million Hindus killed or enslaved.

Your link - while interesting - was not relevant to the main point. It brings in other information that in no way confirms or denies Warner's claims.

 

[leibowde84]

OP
Your whole post is based on ignorance about Islam, and clearly, your information is sourced by the media.
can you show your evidence on Mohammed killing innocents?

Unless you think that those who don't fight for Allah aren't innocent, this seems like a good example.

Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.

— Quran, [Quran 4:76]

 

[Sees]

Thank you IceHorse.
I understand you are trying to defend your points, and I appreciate that fact you are putting an effort to it, but this will not go well in discrediting the scholars who are mostly christian; if not all. your man, did not even come up with a number that is conceivable, he said, if I am not mistaken, that Muslims are enslaving one million in the war against christian. if they did that, how many millions did they kill. Muslims are not alone in this world, if this was the case, it will be known widely.

Please allow me to show a record not from muslims; as I showed from christian, I will show you from the Jews. you can depict from reading this history, how the Jews were doing in the golden age, under the muslim rules. see what happened to them under non muslims rule, and finally once they settled again under muslims rules.

Here is the link, Please read it.
http://www.lostanyaderos.com/LosTanyaderos.htm

Sometimes they were decent to Christians and Jews, other times not so much...but what about the (very successful) attempt to eradicate traditional Arabian pagan traditions? They didn't get much compassion or a protection tax option. They would get a choice to accept Islam or die...or simply just die or be enslaved if need be without any choice. It is a big skeleton in the closet.

There hasn't always violence but there has always been compulsion since the day enough followers were amassed all the way up to now. Almost every single place where there has been a Muslim majority since that first large group - it is in your best interest to also be Muslim and it's dangerous to speak out against Islam.

It is only logical for fundamentalist purifiers to sprout up now and then and give us these horrible groups and it does reflect those first decades.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_Dhul_Khalasa

"In the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance there was a house called Dhu-l-Khalasa or Al-Ka'ba Al-Yamaniya or Al-Ka'ba Ash-Shamiya. The Prophet said to me, "Won't you relieve me from Dhu-l-Khalasa?" So I set out with one-hundred-and-fifty riders, and we dismantled it and killed whoever was present there. Then I came to the Prophet and informed him, and he invoked good upon us and Al-Ahmas (tribe)." Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:59:641

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Bill Warner is extremely well researched. How many other sources would I need to show you for you to be satisfied that the first 300 years of Islamic conquest was mostly violent?

Next, are you aware of the genocide of Hindus by Muslims that lasted for at least 500 years? Estimates range from 10 million to 80 million Hindus killed or enslaved.

Your link - while interesting - was not relevant to the main point. It brings in other information that in no way confirms or denies Warner's claims.

Thank you for this information, because we do not know
So Islamic terrorism is not in Iraq, Syria and Egypt, but also in India
It's awesome figures

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

OK
Today offer you and indicates that it may Allah bless him and did not take the opinion of Omar may Allah be pleased with him in the killing of prisoners rebuke God Almighty has said: (What was the prophet to have captives until it thickens in the land want the minimum width and God wants the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise * Lula book of God already Mskm you have received with great torment * eat what have gained lawful and good, and fear Allah, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful) [Anfal: 67-69].This verse is scolding and reproach from God
To Muhammad because he did not kill the captives in the battle of Badr
Do you believe in this God, O people

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Unless you think that those who don't fight for Allah aren't innocent, this seems like a good example.

Those who believe, fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.

Not fight for God only, but also
For booty
It is money and women
And Muhammad married a Jewish wife after killing her husband

 

[Shad]

Thank you IceHorse.
I understand you are trying to defend your points, and I appreciate that fact you are putting an effort to it, but this will not go well in discrediting the scholars who are mostly christian; if not all. your man, did not even come up with a number that is conceivable, he said, if I am not mistaken, that Muslims are enslaving one million in the war against christian. if they did that, how many millions did they kill. Muslims are not alone in this world, if this was the case, it will be known widely.

Please allow me to show a record not from muslims; as I showed from christian, I will show you from the Jews. you can depict from reading this history, how the Jews were doing in the golden age, under the muslim rules. see what happened to them under non muslims rule, and finally once they settled again under muslims rules.

Here is the link, Please read it.
http://www.lostanyaderos.com/LosTanyaderos.htm

Go read Maimonides biography, the history around his life and the people in it. Forced conversions, exile, badges identifying people as Jews, loss of life (for not converting), loss of property, loss of position.. Same story as the one you linked but done by Muslims rather than Christians.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Islam says you have to obey the Messenger
And that his actions do
This is what is happening now
And orders her biography of the Prophet
Islam produces terrorists and terror is the word from the words of the Koran
Hata them what you can of power
To terrorize your enemy and the enemy of God
Great truth of Godترهبون
Translated terrorists
Do you think that the teachings of Islam are good ??
Leave a proper answer to the mind