Islam/Christianity: Is Asexuality moral?

[Sha'irullah]

Given the set standard that neither Islam nor Christian doctrine contains any ethical or moral code how do Muslims and Christians determine whether or not asexuality is moral or not?
Muslims just like Christians are not able to determine right from wrong as any person who adheres to such religions and makes them the basis for their morality is actually doing a disservice to themselves and only lying. So just how does the argument for or against asexuality stand considering it is no different than the stance on homosexuality

 

[Shiranui117]

You mean, as in not being sexually attracted to anything? That would tie into celibacy, which is considered a virtue and holy vocation in Christianity.

 

[Sha'irullah]

You mean, as in not being sexually attracted to anything? That would tie into celibacy, which is considered a virtue and holy vocation in Christianity.

Sadly that is not the case as celibacy is a choice. I did not choose to be asexual. I just went through life having no desire for sexuality until I realize that sex was a norm.

Asexuality is indistinguishable from homosexuality at it's root cause as neither are cognitive decisions.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Sadly that is not the case as celibacy is a choice. I did not choose to be asexual. I just went through life having no desire for sexuality until I realize that sex was a norm.

Asexuality is indistinguishable from homosexuality at it's root cause as neither are cognitive decisions.

It's okay. Most people love to take pride in something that was merely the result of circumstances outside of their control.

With that in mind there is really no difference between an asexual and a eunuch, and Jesus spoke highly of them.

 

[technomage]

Given the set standard that neither Islam nor Christian doctrine contains any ethical or moral code how do Muslims and Christians determine whether or not asexuality is moral or not?

Some branches of Christianity actually encourage celibacy for those who choose to concentrate of God, as Shiranui stated.

For Islam, marriage is not an absolute requirement, but is considered a blessing, and lifelong celibacy is discouraged. I don't believe celibacy is strictly forbidden for men, but single men in Islam are likely to be asked frequently about when they are getting married. I know celibacy is discouraged for women, but I don't think it is forbidden, however, an unmarried woman is supposed to have a wali (a male guardian and protector).

It will take some digging, but if no one else offers text giving the reasons for these, I will try to do so in the next couple of days.

(nb: I am neither Christian nor Muslim, but am knowledgeable about Christianity, and somewhat knowledgeable about Islam.)

 

[Sha'irullah]

Some branches of Christianity actually encourage celibacy for those who choose to concentrate of God, as Shiranui stated.

For Islam, marriage is not an absolute requirement, but is considered a blessing, and lifelong celibacy is discouraged. I don't believe celibacy is strictly forbidden for men, but single men in Islam are likely to be asked frequently about when they are getting married. I know celibacy is discouraged for women, but I don't think it is forbidden, however, an unmarried woman is supposed to have a wali (a male guardian and protector).

It will take some digging, but if no one else offers text giving the reasons for these, I will try to do so in the next couple of days.

(nb: I am neither Christian nor Muslim, but am knowledgeable about Christianity, and somewhat knowledgeable about Islam.)

Asexuality is not celibacy though as it is not a choice. I recommend you do a quick Google check before commenting because Asexuality is fundamentally no different than homosexuality. This is the fundamental issue though and it is a deceitful question truthfully

 

[technomage]

Asexuality is not celibacy though as it is not a choice. I recommend you do a quick Google check before commenting because Asexuality is fundamentally no different than homosexuality.

I am aware of the differences between asexuality and celibacy. I am also aware that sexual orientation (asexual, heterosexual, or homosexual) is an inborn status, not a choice.

My statement above still applies. Neither Christianity nor Islam directly addresses asexuality. Both address celibacy. While celibacy is a chosen condition, and asexuality is not, the discussion of celibacy in each religion would also apply to asexuality.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I am aware of the differences between asexuality and celibacy. I am also aware that sexual orientation (asexual, heterosexual, or homosexual) is an inborn status, not a choice.

My statement above still applies. Neither Christianity nor Islam directly addresses asexuality. Both address celibacy. While celibacy is a chosen condition, and asexuality is not, the discussion of celibacy in each religion would also apply to asexuality.

You do not understand the deceitful of the question then which I expect, as it does not apply to you. let me explain.

Neither religion speaks of asexuality so how can a person who declares absolute morality from a religious standpoint make a moral decision about asexuality if it is not addressed in their scripture?

If a person claims that religions is the basis for morality then they are lying and by lying they are proving to be immoral. .

The only way for a Muslim or Christian to judge asexuality is to make a moral judgement and if they profess moral absolutes then they have bitten their own tongues on this matter. Asexuality cannot be moral or immoral while homosexuality remains immoral. It creates a fallacy in reasoning essentially

 

[technomage]

You do not understand the deceitful of the question then which I expect, as it does not apply to you. let me explain.

Neither religion speaks of asexuality so how can a person who declares absolute morality from a religious standpoint make a moral decision about asexuality if it is not addressed in their scripture?

If a person claims that religions is the basis for morality then they are lying and by lying they are proving to be immoral. .

The only way for a Muslim or Christian to judge asexuality is to make a moral judgement and if they profess moral absolutes then they have bitten their own tongues on this matter. Asexuality cannot be moral or immoral while homosexuality remains immoral. It creates a fallacy in reasoning essentially

An interesting tactic, but ... I suspect it will be futile. Those who believe in a religious basis for morality will simply state that they have the ability to extrapolate from known cases to unknown cases. That is what I did in my first post above, and that is what they will do. (And that goes completely without mentioning the human ability to rationalize prejudice, even while claiming to have none.)

What irks me is the insistence of those who claim homosexuality is a "choice." But that's a rant for another thread.

 

[Sha'irullah]

an interesting tactic, but ... I suspect it will be futile. Those who believe in a religious basis for morality will simply state that they have the ability to extrapolate from known cases to unknown cases. That is what i did in my first post above, and that is what they will do. (and that goes completely without mentioning the human ability to rationalize prejudice, even while claiming to have none.)

The issue though is that despite the fallacies many religious individuals will refuse to accept the contradiction or paradox of their views and lie further by denying its' existence. To me this only supports my vies and allows me to use "Presuppositionalist Deism" as a basis for argumentation. Pretty ingenious if you ask me

what irks me is the insistence of those who claim homosexuality is a "choice." but that's a rant for another thread.

Raaaant Raaaage!!!! :computer:

 

[Assad91]

QUOTE=Sterling Archer;3689636]Giventheset standard that neither Islam nor Christian doctrine contains any ethical or moral code how do Muslims and Christians determine whether or not asexuality is moral or not? Muslims just like Christians are not able to determine right from wrong as any person who adheres to such religions and makes them the basis for their moralityisactually doing a disservice to themselvesand only lying. So just how does the argument for or against asexuality stand considering it is no different than the stance on homosexuality[/QUOTE]

Islam has no ethical or moral code?

For a murtad, you're not very familiar with Islam, huh?

And since when have religious people lacked the ability to know right from wrong, supposedly unlike folks like you?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Actually Jesus taught that asexuality was a good thing.

"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

 

[Sha'irullah]

Actually Jesus taught that asexuality was a good thing.

"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

This is not asexuality on 2 grounds, both are semantical. How can you determine the morality of being asexual if you subscribe to the Bible as the source of morality(this many not apply to you by the way)

 

[CynthiaCypher]

This is not asexuality on 2 grounds, both are semantical. How can you determine the morality of being asexual if you subscribe to the Bible as the source of morality(this many not apply to you by the way)

You are talking about persons here and not just some abstract idea?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Islam has no ethical or moral code?

Islam itself has no moral code since these "morals" change at a whim and are not absolute nor binding under any circumstances. Muhammad killed women and men for merely speaking ill of him yet in the Qur'an and sunnah he is a hero and a murderer. How do you decide what is good or bad when there is so much bad in the sunan set forth by Muhammad

For a murtad, you're not very familiar with Islam, huh?

Very familiar although I had a very rough time sleeping at night because I could not be honest with myself.

And since when have religious people lacked the ability to know right from wrong, supposedly unlike folks like you?

Always. Religious individuals who claim that their morality is absolute and comes from god have always had no morals since their morality comes from their innate morality which must discern right from wrong within a religion. So you must have morals to have morals and absolute morals are not morals since no moral law is absolute.

Killing cannot be immoral because killing also permits us to eat and survive. Genocide can also be a moral necessity also if a group of individuals justify their death regardless of the outcome, for example WWII and the usage of carpet bombing.

You must lie to claim to have morals simply and you must profess that Islam has absolute morality when you always determine it. Why on earth do you think madahib exist? The Hanafi madhhab is one such example and it unlike other schools in fiqh determine that shellfish are not permissible to eat.

Do the Shi'hatu Ali have different fiqh? If they do then neither has any morals considering that they differ on matters based on tradition that emanate from the (mostly)same texts.
You must make moral judgements yet you profess that your morality is absolute and comes from Allah. Allah has made no such commandments obviously since if Allah is al-Alim then he himself must be either lying or the nabi'yun of Allah are as all that has been said has been false.

Give me an ayat of peace and I can give you an ayat of murder. Give me a sunnah of freedom and I can give you a sunnah of slavery. You have no morals at the end of the day as you are picking and choosing on the basis on your innate morality and turning around and declaring it does not exist

 

[Sha'irullah]

You are talking about persons here and not just some abstract idea?

I am talking about any religious person who professes that one cannot be moral without god. If you do not think this and believe that humans are moral by means of reason and nature then anything I say is not going to apply to you. But you can still participate int he conversation . A good argument is a good argument.

 

[ChristineES]

I've never believed that being asexual was immoral or even amoral. I never really even thought about it.

 

[Assad91]

It's late, but I recently read a book by a scholar which included a section on just what you're talking about regarding morals. Tomorrow, if able, I'll post the relevant clippings.

As for your slander against the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF). Well, it's just that. And seems to be a common trait of the murtad. So I'm not surprised.

As for Jafari madhab, it's more than traditions and differences are many.

 

[Sha'irullah]

It's late, but I recently read a book by a scholar which included a section on just what you're talking about regarding morals. Tomorrow, if able, I'll post the relevant clippings.

As for your slander against the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF). Well, it's just that. And seems to be a common trait of the murtad. So I'm not surprised.

As for Jafari madhab, it's more than traditions and differences are many.

Oh you would be surprised by the things I have to say about Muhammad as I have said them before. A lot of them were quite nice. Do you think I will just kiss the rump of another person and not be critical at the same time?
I love Islamic philosophy and like listening to the lectures of Shaykh Hassan Ali a lot.
This is why I myself feel particularly bad about many Muslims and Christians as they do not posses any moral guidelines or standards and live very unethical lives although for Christians this is not so much of the case any more and they have addressed this greatly. Although it took the help of the secularists to help and provide moral framework for them. Muslims do not have this though and reject secular thought in favor of leading immoral lives

 

[crossfire]

Prepubescent children are asexual, no? Are they immoral according to any of the relevant scriptures?