Islam-Do you have any questions? Please no Athiestic Arguments

[F1fan]

More like you are spreading dangerous ideas. Peace

So what happens to a Muslim if they eat pork? Let's say one case is accidental, and another case is deliberate (pork is pretty good if done right, you can't blame a person being tempted once in a while).

 

[MyM]

Do you support the Pact of Umar as just? If so, would lands ruled by dhimmis be ethically justified in implementing similar restrictions for Muslims who within those lands?

To be honest, the non muslim lands do as they please anyways, regardless. But yes, what 'Omar may Allah be pleased with him,

One tenth paid by ahl adh-dhimmah [non-Muslims living under Muslim rule]. This is a tax paid on trade goods that they export to dar al-harb [hostile non-Muslim territory] or that they import from dar al-harb to dar al-islam [Muslim territory], or that they move from one city to another within Muslim territory. It is to be paid by them once a year.

 

[MyM]

I am neither questioning Muhammad's reasoning nor critical thinking skills, please let us consider me as simply questioning if this Fatwah is corrective of Muhammad's apparent lack of realizing sunrise to sundown fasting as prescribed in the Quran can not be possibly followed by polar Muslims during a summer month of Ramadan.; this question you have refused answering thus far.

What? I have answered it.

 

[MyM]

So what happens to a Muslim if they eat pork? Let's say one case is accidental, and another case is deliberate (pork is pretty good if done right, you can't blame a person being tempted once in a while).

If a person accidently eats pork, there is no sin on him. It was unintentional.. If a Muslim eats pork intentionally he is committing a sin and will be held accountable unto Allah for his actions.

“And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” al-Ahzaab 33:5

 

[Suave]

What? I have answered it.

Sorry, I have missed your answer to the question of Is this Fatwah corrective of Muhammad's apparent lack of realizing sunrise to sundown fasting as prescribed in the Quran can not be possibly followed by polar Muslims during a summer month of Ramadan? Yes/No?

 

[F1fan]

If a person accidently eats pork, there is no sin on him. It was unintentional.. If a Muslim eats pork intentionally he is committing a sin and will be held accountable unto Allah for his actions.

“And there is no sin on you concerning that in which you made a mistake, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” al-Ahzaab 33:5

OK, so it must not be ingesting pork that is the problem, it's the deliberate eating of it. So what is the symbolic reason it's prohibited?

And what is the punishment for deliberately eating pork? "Held accountable" might not be too bad if it's a mild punishment.

 

[Shaul]

To be honest, the non muslim lands do as they please anyways, regardless. But yes, what 'Omar may Allah be pleased with him,

One tenth paid by ahl adh-dhimmah [non-Muslims living under Muslim rule]. This is a tax paid on trade goods that they export to dar al-harb [hostile non-Muslim territory] or that they import from dar al-harb to dar al-islam [Muslim territory], or that they move from one city to another within Muslim territory. It is to be paid by them once a year.

I am not aware of a tax levied exclusively on Muslims in any lands of dhimmis. If you think there is such an example I would be interested in hearing about that. So, you would not object to a tax levied in a non-Muslim country that was exclusively paid by Muslims?

The Pact of Umar contains much more than a non-Muslim(dhimmis) tax. It contains many other provisions. For example, do you support a restriction on building heights such that one religion could force adherents of different religions to have lower buildings? Could a Christian country restrict the height of mosques and their minarets? What about the forbidding of dhimmis from proselytizing Muslims? Could a dhimmi ruled country similarly forbid Muslims living there from proselytizing?

 

[MyM]

OK, so it must not be ingesting pork that is the problem, it's the deliberate eating of it. So what is the symbolic reason it's prohibited?

And what is the punishment for deliberately eating pork? "Held accountable" might not be too bad if it's a mild punishment.

Allah is the judge.

One should never underestimate or overestimate the power of Allah's judgement.

 

[MyM]

I am not aware of a tax levied exclusively on Muslims in any lands of dhimmis. If you think there is such an example I would be interested in hearing about that. So, you would not object to a tax levied in a non-Muslim country that was exclusively paid by Muslims?

The Pact of Umar contains much more than a non-Muslim(dhimmis) tax. It contains many other provisions. For example, do you support a restriction on building heights such that one religion could force adherents of different religions to have lower buildings? Could a Christian country restrict the height of mosques and their minarets? What about the forbidding of dhimmis from proselytizing Muslims? Could a dhimmi ruled country similarly forbid Muslims living there from proselytizing?

It's not upon me to object or not. I said non muslim countries do what they will anyways.

The size of the mosque is not a mandatory size. You don't even have to have minarets Every state is different. I guess it would depend on where you live for that to happen.

 

[F1fan]

Allah is the judge.

One should never underestimate or overestimate the power of Allah's judgement.

So Muslims are just living in fear? You don't seem to even have a suspicion if the punishment would fit an offense.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Hello

I prefer this thread to be kept clean from the bashing of athiests. I do not want to debate the THEORY of Darwism and Evolution.

If anyone wants to learn, sincerely, I am here to answer to the best of my knowledge, questions that I do know of. I am not a scholar, but have studied Islam for many decades now. I take from the Quran and Sunnah. I am not Shi'ee.

Thanks

Why don’t you accept Ali?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Sorry, I have missed your answer to the question of Is this Fatwah corrective of Muhammad's apparent lack of realizing sunrise to sundown fasting as prescribed in the Quran can not be possibly followed by polar Muslims during a summer month of Ramadan? Yes/No?

For muslims in the North, they follow a set time accepted by the mosques

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

What is heaven like in Islam?

Similar question, what is the promise of paradise like to women? Is it described in the Qur'an?

 

[MyM]

So Muslims are just living in fear? You don't seem to even have a suspicion if the punishment would fit an offense.

Muslims are to fear Allah. YES so should mankind. Fear is a prevention as well to not doing mischief and wrongdoings.


In Islam, everyone of us will be standing in front of our Creator to be judged. In Islam, the Day of Judgement will be the scariest thing that mankind will not be able to even fathom. So yes, we are to fear our Creator. He isn't just love as Christians say all the time. He is much more and he will be judging all with no escape.

FYI, the OT tells people to fear God.

In Islam, God has many many beautiful names and qualities and we are to worship the only one worthy of worship.

 

[MyM]

Why don’t you accept Ali?

Who says we don't accept Ali (may Allah be pleased with him)? He was the son in law of Mohammad pbuh. Was a great companion of Mohammad pbuh. He was a great person and warrior even.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No questions. Many of us already know it well.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I prefer this thread to be kept clean from the bashing of athiests.

Thank you for stating this... it certainly needs to be said. You heard him people - please stop bashing atheists.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Sure Let me start with a hadith from Mohammad pbuh (hadiths are sayings and actions of Mohammad pbuh-you cannot have one without the other)

It was reported from ‘Awf ibn Maalik who said: the Messenger of Allah pbuh said: “The Jews were divided into seventy-one sects, one of which is in Paradise and seventy are in the Fire. The Christians were divided into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which are in the Fire and one is in Paradise. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, my Ummah will be divided into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire.” It was said, O Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said, “Al-Jamaa’ah.” (al-Jamaa’ah is the ‘aqeedah (creed) and actions of the Messenger and his Companions peace be upon them all.
Sunan Ibn Maajah, no. 3982.

The hadith doesn't specify the names of such sects, but it does say anyone that goes away from the Quran and Sunnah are not on the straight path.

There are different Sects indeed

Sunni/Selef-those who follow the Quran and Sunnah
Shi'ee-those who follow their imaams who claim they are following the Quran and Sunnah according to them
Sufies-those who believe in the mystical beliefs who say they have personal experiences with Allah.
Bah'ulllah-those who have their own version of Islam.
Ibadi's-those who led rebellions against the companions of Mohammad pbuh.
Ahmadis-those who diverted away from Islam as early as the 1830's-upwards.


There are things that Islam holds as misguidances and can take you out of the fold of Islam, such as:

*Those who take other partners unto Allah.
*Those who are on a different aqeedah than that of Mohammad pbuh has taught.
*Those who with regard to imaan(faith) -they say faith and deeds are separate and faith doesn't increase or decrease.
*Those who innovate anything new to the religion--MAJOR FORBIDDENCE.
*Those who are misguided and say about the Quran as they will.
*Those who do not accept all the authenticated ahadith.
*Those who only take the Quran without the hadith of Mohammad pbuh
*Those who have intermediaries
*Those who hate what the prophet pbuh brought
*Those who ridicule and mock the messenger of Allah pbuh.
*Those who deal in black majic and jinn.
*Those who support the disbelievers against the believers.
*Those who turn away from Islam.

When Hudhayfah asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, we were in a state of ignorance and evil, then Allah brought us this good. Will there be any evil after this good?” the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Yes.” Hudahyfah asked, “Will there be any good after that evil?” He said, “Yes, but it would be tainted with dakhan (i.e. a little evil).” I asked, “What will its dakhan be?” He said, “There will be some people who will guide (people) according to something other than my guidance and will lead them according to something other than my Sunnah. You will see their actions and disapprove of them.” Hudhayfah said, “Will there be any evil after that good?” He said, “Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).” Hudhayfah said, “O Messenger of Allah, describe those people to us.” He said, “They will be from among us and speak our language (i.e., from among the Arabs).” Hudhayfah asked, “What do you command us to do at that point?” He said, “Adhere to the jamaa’ah (group) of the Muslims and their leader.” Hudhayfah asked, “What if there is no jamaa’ah and no leader?” He said, “Keep away from all those different sects, even if you have to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you die while you are still in that state.” (Narrated by Saheeh al-Bukhaari and Muslim).

Just one correction please. Baha’u’llah is the Great News or Great Announcement of the Quran not a sect of Islam.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Are there any other forbidden foods other than pork? What about carbonated beverages such as soda?

Pork is only permitted by the Quran if one is facing starvation.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@MyM

Why do you think Allah had forbidden apple to Adam before, though it is healthy according to science.