Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[Gharib]

to Kai

it's aggaisnt US law to invade other countries too, but look what they did to Afganistan, Iraq, what happened in Syria a month or so ago, i guess it is the satan who is doing that isn't it. poor poor US. i feel so sorry for its leaders.

and we muslims do not go aggainst the Kur'an for then we become an enemie of Allah and he (Allah ) is the worst enemie one can have.

 

[kai]

to Kai

it's aggaisnt US law to invade other countries too, but look what they did to Afganistan, Iraq, what happened in Syria a month or so ago, i guess it is the satan who is doing that isn't it. poor poor US. i feel so sorry for its leaders.
Syrria attacked itself to make Us look bad, The Afghans and Iraqis have invited the US in to help, Ring any bells?

and we muslims do not go aggainst the Kur'an for then we become an enemie of Allah and he (Allah ) is the worst enemie one can have.

Why? what is Allah going to do to you?

 

[Gharib]

Trust me... I agree.

well thanks i guess

Okay. "Don't be aggressive."

yeah sorry about what i said but you were very quick to point ot that the laws of the Kur'an were violated but you should have though about it the other way. they would not violate the laws of Allah,

Never called them terrorists. I know very little about the Taliban, but I know they have not invaded or attacked anyone. I also know that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are not synonymous.

i don't know what synonymous means but anyway.

Sure.

By the definition being used now, anyone who attacks unprovoked. Bush did just that when he bombed Baghdad, and I believe Al-Qaeda, while they didn't take responsibility (as far as I know) for the 9/11 attack, did take responsibility (if memory serves me right) for the London bombing a few years later.

By my own definition, I go by the word itself: anyone who, through whatever means, uses fear as a tool for power. So it can be used not just in politics, but even news broadcasters who decide to only print scary stories so people watch them and not others. Death doesn't have to be involved. It's not "Killist", after all.

ok thanks, i had never heard it in that way, but it does make sense.

 

[kai]

no i found the answer. i just need to make some clouds and join them together so that i can show you: hamster :. can you tell me how to do that? oh wait god knows how to do that, and you aren't god are you :bonk:

sorry for doing this but i just had too, i hope you can forgive me , i just can't beleive that you would ask me that.

No thank God i am not God, because if i was "i would Disown such an ignorant and infantile creation that i have breathed life into that cannot get on with their own lives without wanting me to listen to their constant prayers, on and on and on it goes .and why did i get the job of making thunder."

 

[YmirGF]

i have posted this thread because i recon that many non muslims have no idea about islam and what sort of religion it is, well appart from the lies that are shown on tv, so i though i would give you a chance to make any questions that you want, and inshallah i will answer them , but i do not have limmitles knowledge and so in some parts i may not be able to give good answers i hope no one would mind about that.
so who ever wish to make a start please do so and i well get back to you as soon as possible.

all the best wishes

I know far more about Islam than I wish. I know enough about Islam to issue a verdict on its supposed authenticty, much to the chagrin of Muslims and Muslim apologists.

 

[Gharib]

Why? what is Allah going to do to you?

well the leaders of afganistan and iraq may be corrupt but who gave the US such an authority. it says in the bible not to attack doesn't it . and they werent invited but the leaders of those countries sold their #@#' to the US. but the US is killing innocent people but still they are loosing, too bad i recon they call them self the most advanced nation in the world and they cann't even win against some illiterat afganis, how shamfull is that, don't you recon so.

as for the second part: in judgment day who ever calls himself a muslim but doesn't obey the rules of islam then they will be sent to hell for shaming islam (the religion of Allah) so thats a big sin i recon, i wouldn't want to end up in hell for eternity. would you? Allah doesn't do anything in this world so that they can have a good life while it lasts but the next life is the one that counts.

 

[Gharib]

I know far more about Islam than I wish. I know enough about Islam to issue a verdict on its supposed authenticty, much to the chagrin of Muslims and Muslim apologists.

well do you wish to ask something or you just tolled us that you have knowledge of islam, if that is so then good for you, and they aren't information from the net or from TV by any chance are they?

 

[kai]

well the leaders of afganistan and iraq may be corrupt but who gave the US such an authority. it says in the bible not to attack doesn't it . and they werent invited but the leaders of those countries sold their #@#' to the US. but the US is killing innocent people but still they are loosing, too bad i recon they call them self the most advanced nation in the world and they cann't even win against some illiterat afganis, how shamfull is that, don't you recon so.

No i think its shameful that the Taliban murder people in the name of their God, where does it say in the Bible do not attack? and whats it got to do with that particular book?and where do you get the idea that they are losing? from the same people that tell you God makes the thunder i expect.

as for the second part: in judgment day who ever calls himself a muslim but doesn't obey the rules of islam then they will be sent to hell for shaming islam (the religion of Allah) so thats a big sin i recon, i wouldn't want to end up in hell for eternity. would you? Allah doesn't do anything in this world so that they can have a good life while it lasts but the next life is the one that counts.

who told you that? and why do you believe it ? an honest question, why do you believe this.

 

[Gharib]

to kai

no one needs to tell me who makes thunder as long as i have a brain. do you have one, i assume you do, otherwise you wont be here writting to me, right

well let me ask you this who makes the clouds? oh yeah, when the sun is up then the waters (ie. oceans) get hot on the surface and they evaporate thus forming clouds, you beleive that right. so if you do then where does the rain come from in winter, well in sountries that get snow i should say. there is no sun on those countries it is blocked by clouds.

and if you want another question then where does the rain in the middle of a dessert come from?
or even that in the middle of china,.

as for the other part, the US is loosing, you just have last minute hoppes that keep you going, but you will come to realise the reality sooner or later, you will have to face your fears.

 

[Gharib]

who told you that? and why do you believe it ? an honest question, why do you believe this.

well by my knowledge no human has died and come back to tell us of life after death, well maybe except Muhammed (saws), he was raised up before he moved away from mecca to medinah, he was shown everything. and so i have my reasons for beleiving him, but i guess he must have been dreaming according to you right. and then there will also be jesus (as) who will come back, everythng that the Kur'an has said (ie. Allah has said) has really occured. for example the great guess Muhammed (saws) had that there would be gays 1400 years after his death, that the major countries (the advanced ones such as the US) will loose power and the Islamic era will rise again, but for you thats just some laughing material isn't it.

 

[kai]

to kai

no one needs to tell me who makes thunder as long as i have a brain. do you have one, i assume you do, otherwise you wont be here writting to me, right

I am beginning to wonder

well let me ask you this who makes the clouds? oh yeah, when the sun is up then the waters (ie. oceans) get hot on the surface and they evaporate thus forming clouds, you beleive that right. so if you do then where does the rain come from in winter, well in sountries that get snow i should say. there is no sun on those countries it is blocked by clouds. What? no sun?

and if you want another question then where does the rain in the middle of a dessert come from? from the same place it comes from everywhere else
or even that in the middle of china,. China? what do they have rain? wonders never cease

as for the other part, the US is loosing, you just have last minute hoppes that keep you going, but you will come to realise the reality sooner or later, you will have to face your fears.

I have faced mine my friend I have a suspician that you are not very old so i think you have still to face yours ,i Sincerely hope you are able to do that. I have enjoyed our banter but i think its time for me to leave this stimulating discussion, and go and watch paint dry,

peace Kai

 

[Gharib]

ok see you, if you have any questions related to islam though please ask them. if you wish

 

[kai]

ok see you, if you have any questions related to islam though please ask them. if you wish

Ok eselam, the only question i have is Why? why do you believe in Islam?

i shall return later.thanks

 

[Riverwolf]

yeah sorry about what i said but you were very quick to point ot that the laws of the Kur'an were violated but you should have though about it the other way. they would not violate the laws of Allah,

Then why aggressively attack London? Even if the 9/11 attacks weren't done by Al-Qaeda, I believe I remember them claiming responsibility for that attack.

i don't know what synonymous means but anyway.

Synonymous means same. In vocabulary, 'synonyms' are words that have almost the same meaning, like 'good' and 'well'.

 

[Riverwolf]

well the leaders of afganistan and iraq may be corrupt but who gave the US such an authority. it says in the bible not to attack doesn't it . and they werent invited but the leaders of those countries sold their #@#' to the US. but the US is killing innocent people but still they are loosing, too bad i recon they call them self the most advanced nation in the world and they cann't even win against some illiterat afganis, how shamfull is that, don't you recon so.

I don't recall Jesus ever specifically saying not to attack, but "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" seems to be carefully ignored by those currently in power who claim to follow Christ... :sarcastic

 

[Sui]

here are the verses for you Don:

Hope you don't mind me stepping in here for a second, Eselam. I'd just like to make a few points here that were floating through my mind relating to the nature of Don's question.

First of all, I'd like to address the subject of what, exactly, an "infidel" is. Most people would say "unbeliever", "non-Muslim" or something to that effect. To an extent, that is true, but it's much deeper than that. Calling someone a "kafir" is serious and should not be taken lightly, as not all non-Muslims are considered as such. The word in Arabic carries the significance of masking, hiding or covering something - in this case, the truth about Islam. So what this means is that only someone who truly and honestly understands Islam, then denies it and starts spreading lies and misconceptions, is a kafir. But how do we know who is really a kafir and who isn't? We don't, only Allah does, so we, with our limited perceptions, should not use this word to describe someone. In doing so, there is a good chance we are committing slander.

So, a person who is confused by misconceptions and lies that other people spread are not at fault, unless they also continue this trend without even trying to sincerely find the truth for themselves. If someone lives in an environment where finding the truth just isn't possible, then of course it makes sense that they would be innocent.

The Quran does say "kill the infidels" in places, but we must take into account my above attempt at explanation and the excellent verses Eselam provided. Fighting is only permissible as defense and only against the guilty ones, never against innocents. It's as brother Eselam said, everyone must be treated and respected equally, regardless of their religion, race, gender, etc...

"O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware." [49:13]

 

[Gharib]

ok have you ever read the kur'an.

have you ever asked your self while starring somewhere like a statue,
what in the hell happens to all those people who die each year,
why is life so short,
what will happen to me as an individual,
what has happended to all the people before me (naturally they have died but beyound that),
why do people speak of a day of judgment and no one really knows about it, where did they get that information,
what has Muhammed (saws) acheived if he created a false religion, why would he create a false religion anyway, what benefit would he have from it? hes dead now.

all this can be aswered by the Kur'an. but most people read the Kur'an only to have information agains't the muslims, it never works however you cannot tell a dog how to bark and you cannot tell a muslim about the kur"an, it's our life.

just by reading the Kur'an a person can undestand everything. most people however read it for bad purposes just as i said. but if they said:

"o Allah if this book is truely by you then make me understand it, make me beleive in ti so that i can beleive in you, thus also trusting your final prophet Muhammed (saws), please make me a muslim if this is truely the word and the religion of the Almighty Creator"

every non muslim that reads the Kur'an reads it for a better understanding of islam so that they feel smart and have some knowledge of it. but if the say the above words by all heart and all intentions then Allah will soften their hearts and they will be protected then. i actually feel sorry for those people who read the Kur'an and fail to accet Islam, their punishment will be the worts, they knew about everything and they still didn't beleive.

thats just a small peice of why i follow islam, like a fish in the water, but if you want more, and i will probably write something else too regarding this/ your question, but not at the moment i will have to leave it there and inshallah i will continue latter if not tommorrow.

 

[Gharib]

Hope you don't mind me stepping in here for a second, Eselam. I'd just like to make a few points here that were floating through my mind relating to the nature of Don's question.

no i don't mind at all please do answer some question if you wish, i would appreciate that, and thanks for helping by the way, i hope you will continue to do so inshallah

 

[Gharib]

Then why aggressively attack London? Even if the 9/11 attacks weren't done by Al-Qaeda, I believe I remember them claiming responsibility for that attack.

well you are half way arond the world from me, so i give you some money (not some but billions should i say) and then would you care if i tolled you to claim resposibility for some kind of an attack in my country. i cant go asking my allies because then that would be obvious, so i ask you to do it. and why wouldn't you if i offered you a place to stay in peace in your million dollar mantion. the same thing about the london bommings, if australia claimed responsibility how funny would that have been, so they used an unsuspected source, i could have claimed responsibility but who would beleive me. they saw that iraq was getting trouble within inside itslef and they decided to use alqaida. why didn't the palestinians claim responsibility they hated the americans and the jews.

there is a lot of information here that most people do not understand, they think they do but no, if you wish to speak about this then you need to analyse all the possible outcomes, don't say there is just one, every storry has 2 sides and in this case this has many but you need to undestand it properly or look at it propperly from all sides and all perspectives.
i don't know if you agree with me but thats how i see it even though there is much more information

Synonymous means same. In vocabulary, 'synonyms' are words that have almost the same meaning, like 'good' and 'well'.

ok thanks i will remember that.

 

[Riverwolf]

every non muslim that reads the Kur'an reads it for a better understanding of islam so that they feel smart and have some knowledge of it. but if the say the above words by all heart and all intentions then Allah will soften their hearts and they will be protected then. i actually feel sorry for those people who read the Kur'an and fail to accet Islam, their punishment will be the worts, they knew about everything and they still didn't beleive.

Sort of true. But I read the Qur'an for the same reason I read Biblical stories: because I find the language beautiful and I want to understand Islam better, because the more I understand it, the less I fear it. (mankind fears most what it does not understand, and hatred stems from fear) As for not accepting it as literal truth, well if it turns out to be true, then I've already accepted whatever punishment I must endure.