Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[Riverwolf]

well you are half way arond the world from me, so i give you some money (not some but billions should i say) and then would you care if i tolled you to claim resposibility for some kind of an attack in my country. i cant go asking my allies because then that would be obvious, so i ask you to do it. and why wouldn't you if i offered you a place to stay in peace in your million dollar mantion. the same thing about the london bommings, if australia claimed responsibility how funny would that have been, so they used an unsuspected source, i could have claimed responsibility but who would beleive me. they saw that iraq was getting trouble within inside itslef and they decided to use alqaida. why didn't the palestinians claim responsibility they hated the americans and the jews.

there is a lot of information here that most people do not understand, they think they do but no, if you wish to speak about this then you need to analyse all the possible outcomes, don't say there is just one, every storry has 2 sides and in this case this has many but you need to undestand it properly or look at it propperly from all sides and all perspectives.
i don't know if you agree with me but thats how i see it even though there is much more information

I know. I understand there's two sides, and I recognize that Western media hides much of the truth. But I can say with certainty that for all his faults and supidities, Bush is a nationalist: that means he loves his country more than anything else in the world (to the point of demonizing anything that he feels is against his ideals, which is what makes him so dangerous). He would have no reason for attacking his own country; there's NO evidence to support that, as far as I know. (BTW, if I interpret your first paragraph right, you say that someone bribed Al-Qaeda so they'd take responsibility... isn't that kind of thing forbidden in the Qur'an?)

 

[Gharib]

Sort of true. But I read the Qur'an for the same reason I read Biblical stories: because I find the language beautiful and I want to understand Islam better, because the more I understand it, the less I fear it. (mankind fears most what it does not understand, and hatred stems from fear) As for not accepting it as literal truth, well if it turns out to be true, then I've already accepted whatever punishment I must endure.

if it only was that easy.
you do not know what the punishment is do you, do you know about hell as described in the Kur'an? i personally do fear it even though i am a muslim, thats what makes me to do good deeds instead of bad. i get really agry and deppressed sometimes when i do a bad thing, because if Allah forgives me then ok but what if he doesn't. who else will help me? no one.

when you say the more you know the less you fear islam, is that about the fear of the after life or the fear of muslims in this life? some people seem to fear muslims a lot, thats what i've heard. and we muslims fear nothing eccept for Allah and his punishment, thats maby a point for you if you want. do not fear people but fear that which you do not see.

 

[Gharib]

I know. I understand there's two sides, and I recognize that Western media hides much of the truth. But I can say with certainty that for all his faults and supidities, Bush is a nationalist: that means he loves his country more than anything else in the world (to the point of demonizing anything that he feels is against his ideals, which is what makes him so dangerous). He would have no reason for attacking his own country; there's NO evidence to support that, as far as I know.

it's not that he attacked his country, he made it so that a middle eastern country claimed responsibility and so that they can go there and steal its oil, then they invaded afganistan for the drugs, afganis grow drug and so the US decided to take that as well, if it wasn't for that reason then why isn't it invading Kazakhistan, or pakistan, or syria, etc... it doesn't care about them, it wanted iraq and it got afganistan along the way.

and at first, didn't bush say that iraq had nuclear weapons. so where are they? a contry would not make such claims about another country without evidence, without seeing th weapons, but there weren't any in iraq and the US changed its policy afterwards, saying that they wanted to kill saddam hussain for inhumane acts. so saddam got killed now what?

i tolled you, there is alot, to such things but it is hard to understand them

(BTW, if I interpret your first paragraph right, you say that someone bribed Al-Qaeda so they'd take responsibility... isn't that kind of thing forbidden in the Qur'an?)

yea thats what i have said, and how true that is i cannot be speciffic, but that is my claim, the US and alqaida is working together, and so is saddam, go ask any muslim about saddam and they will tell you he is alive living like a king, the same with osama bin laden. you think that the US cannot find him? they do not need to. well thats from my perspective, but yes i truelly do believe that alqaida got bribed, well the leaders anyway, the rest just obey orders.

and it is forbiden in the Kur'an, and the punishment for treachury and bribary against ones country is a death sentence. even if they did get bribed, they may not get punished in this world but theres no escaping judgment day, we all have to face it. and as muslims we are actually tolled to forgive people who do bad things to us, (people such as those who murder a loved one, those who harm you, those who take everything from you etc....) because Allah says "if you want a fair punishment for those people then leave their punishment to me" he says that because the worst we can do in this world is take ones life but in the afterlife, it's an etternal punishment by Allah. so thats why we are forgiving most of the time, but most muslims like to take revenge in this world rather than in the next, some just cannot bear it. we are human after all and pain is something that we humans cannot grow custom to.

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselam,
Do you agree that man is an evolved being?
Do you agree that we are here through evolution?
Do write what ever you agree to.
LOve & rgds

 

[K.Venugopal]

Did Allah create life?

 

[abhimanyu]

Why was Guru Arjan Dev, and Guru Teg Bahadur , the fifth and ninth prophets of the Sikhs , tortured and put to death by the muslims ?

 

[Surya Deva]

How does a Muslim do Namaz? What are the rites invloved?

 

[Gharib]

Friend eselam,
Do you agree that man is an evolved being?

evolving through technology yes, but to be honest with you i as a human would say that as the future becomes more reliable on technology people are evolving in the wrong direction, they have become more lazy and less smart. if you compare a child from a developed nation such as the US and the Uk with a child fom a suffering country, then i would have to say that the suffering country has better people in it, in relation to their brain and maturity. but if by evolving you mean as in the evolution process then i as a muslim cannot beleive that, no muslim can.

Do you agree that we are here through evolution?

no, in islam we are tolled that the evolution of man does not happen, Allah can simply create us as humans instead of making us from bacteria to monkey to humans.

Do write what ever you agree to.
LOve & rgds

i hope that information was what you were looking for. unless i have missinterpreted your questions

 

[Gharib]

Did Allah create life?

yes Allah created life and everything else.

 

[Gharib]

Why was Guru Arjan Dev, and Guru Teg Bahadur , the fifth and ninth prophets of the Sikhs , tortured and put to death by the muslims ?

i have no knowledge of such a thing, and to be honest i have no knowledge of the sikh religion, i have never heard such a thing. i'm sorry but this is something that i cannot asnwer because i have no knowledge of it, i hope you do not mind.

 

[Gharib]

How does a Muslim do Namaz? What are the rites invloved?

our prayer is called namaz or salat, there is the farz (the obligatory prayer) and the sunnah (a sunnah is something that prophet Muhammed (saws) did himself, or he liked doing, or he wanted us to do, it's either of those 3), before we start the namaz we must do wudhu. that is a process where we clean ourself with water but it can also be done without water (by rubbing ones hands on the ground) if there is none.
once wudhu is done then we start the tekbir (we enter the prayer by saying Allahu Ekberr (Allah is great)), then each part has a different name, when we bow down with our head on the ground that is called sejde, the other where we have our hands on our knees is kalled ruku, etc.

i don't know what the word "rites" means but i have a feeling it means about what we need to do bero the prayer or what we need to know, i hope thats right if not please tell me.
in order to do the prayer we need the wudhu (no prayer can be done without it, no matter what) then we also need to know some of the suras (chapters of the Kur'an (we recite the chapters of the Kur'an when we pray, and the obligatory one is sura al fatiha, the first sura in the kur'an), then we need to know a minimum of 4 suras including the first one (el fatiha) to be able to perform the namaz.

please let me know if there was a particular thing that you wish to know, it is along process to describe the whole thing, point by point, but the above explanation kind of summs it up i guess in a not too short and not too long sort of way.

 

[K.Venugopal]

yes Allah created life and everything else.

If there was no life till Allah created it, does it mean that at one point of time Allah was dead?

 

[Caladan]

With Rumi being the most popular poet in America for a while, What is the the image of common Muslims of Sufism (Tasawwuf).

 

[abhimanyu]

i have no knowledge of such a thing, and to be honest i have no knowledge of the sikh religion, i have never heard such a thing. i'm sorry but this is something that i cannot asnwer because i have no knowledge of it, i hope you do not mind.

Guru Arjan Dev was the fifth prophet of Sikhism, and the Guru who completed the compilation of the Guru Granth Sahib, the holy book of the Sikhs. He was tortured to death by the muslims under Jahangir.

Guru Teg Bahadur was the nineth prophet of Sikhism .He had contributed many hymns in praise of God to the Guru Granth Sahib.

The Guru was put in chains and ordered to be tortured until he would accept Islam by the Muslim Mughals. When he could not be persuaded to abandon his faith to save himself from persecution, he was asked to perform some miracles to prove his divinity. On his refusal, Guru Tegh Bahadur was beheaded in public at Chandni Chowk on November 11,1675.His disciples too were brutally tortured and killed by the Mughals. :sad4:

 

[Gharib]

If there was no life till Allah created it, does it mean that at one point of time Allah was dead?

no it does not mean that. just because we (humans) weren't in existence that doesn't mean other creatures of Allah such as angels and the satan weren't. Allah has always existed, he has existed in heaven, he created it, but beyound that i do not think that any muslim has knowledge of it (of Allah) we only know that which Allah lets us know, we do not know the corners of the universe because Allah doesn't let us know about them, and to be hones with you i do not think that anyone will ever find them, for if they were found then we would be able to enter the second universe. it takes 5000 years for us to reach the corners of the universe at light spead i think. but anyway continuing on Allah has existed always, he has no mother nor a father, he has no gender (even though we do say "he", it is to fulfill the grammar of the language, we ussualy say she for a car but it has no gender, and the same for Allah and the angels, they have no gender, but we just say that to make thing easier for ourselves), he has no wife nor a husband, and no children. he is copletely alone, and he cannot die for if he did then he is not a god, if he was created after heaven itslef then that means that another god is in existence and not Allah, so thats why Allah has always existed. and will always exist

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselam,

no, in islam we are tolled that the evolution of man does not happen, Allah can simply create us as humans instead of making us from bacteria to monkey to humans.

This simply means that there was no existence before humans evolved or Allah was not there before humans?

Love & rgds

 

[Don Penguinoini]

here are the verses for you Don:

(2:190) And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight against you but do not commit aggression because AIIah does not like aggressors

(2:191) Fight against them wherever they confront you in combat and drive them out from where they drove you out. Though killing is bad. persecution is worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Masjid Haram (the kabba) unless they attack you there.

(2:192) And if they attack you first (even in that sacred area), strike them (without any hesitation); this is the due punishment for such disbelievers. If, however, they desist from fighting (you should also do likewise), and know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

(2:193) Go on fighting with them till there is no more a state of tribulation and Allah's way is established instead. Then if they desist from it, there should be no more hostility except against those who had been guilty of cruelty and brutality.

(2:194) A prohibited month is to be respected, if the same is respected (by the enemy), and likewise there is the law of just retribution for the violation of all prohibited things. Therefore, if anyone transgresses a prohibition by attacking you, you may do likewise, but always fear AIIah and bear in mind that Allah is with those who desist from breaking Allah's bounds.

there are many more but it would take me ages to find all of them, but if you want i can post them when i do find them.

Thanks, Eselam.

What can you say for all those Muslism who kill in the name of Allah? What are they?

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

i have posted this thread because i recon that many non muslims have no idea about islam and what sort of religion it is,

This is an interesting observation (I would agree btw). My experience is that many muslims also do not know what islam is all about.

but i do not have limmitlesknowledge and so in some parts i may not be able to give good answers i hope no one would mind about that.

ups

 

[K.Venugopal]

Allah has always existed ... and will always exist

If Allah always existed and will always exist, can I say that He was always alive and will continue to be always alive?

 

[Riverwolf]

if it only was that easy.
you do not know what the punishment is do you, do you know about hell as described in the Kur'an? i personally do fear it even though i am a muslim, thats what makes me to do good deeds instead of bad. i get really agry and deppressed sometimes when i do a bad thing, because if Allah forgives me then ok but what if he doesn't. who else will help me? no one.

when you say the more you know the less you fear islam, is that about the fear of the after life or the fear of muslims in this life? some people seem to fear muslims a lot, thats what i've heard. and we muslims fear nothing eccept for Allah and his punishment, thats maby a point for you if you want. do not fear people but fear that which you do not see.

I'm not afraid of death or any afterlife, at least I try not to be. Death is inevitable, and will come for me when it will come. I've accepted that, just as I've accepted any punishment for not believing one religion or another.

And remember, I've only read the first 5 Surahs. So far the only descriptions of hell are "a grievous place indeed" or something like that.