Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[Gharib]

Friend eselam,
BEST WISHES! is all that can say.
Love & rgds

thank you. by the way can i ask in what islamic perspectives are you interested. i see you wish to know about Allah, and other creatures , if i'm not mistaken, i probably am but anyway. thanks for your questions

 

[challupa]

Thank you for this thread. I have learned so much. I am amazed at how much some of our christian denominations are like Islam. The christians that do not believe in evolution are like Islam. I never realized Muslims did not believe in evolution.

Now I have a question. Why do you not believe there will be any more prophets? Islam was started by someone who became the next abrahamic prophet. Why would there not be another one to help us understand this changing world?

 

[Gharib]

So if they're capable of accepting bribes against the Qur'an, then they should be capable of attacking aggressively unprovoked.

i cannot know for that, but it may be possible. look to tell you the truth, i think that is the truth from my perspective, there are billions in this world but i think that makes sense, you probably do not agree but thats how i see it.

There's no evidence that Al-Qaeda and Bush are working together.

true

If that were the case, why isn't Al-Qaeda doing anything to make Bush a king so he can stay in office?

what can alqaida do that bush hasn't already done. they have no controll over other countries, they barley have controll of their own.

Why haven't they assassinated Barak Obama yet?

i though that someone already tried that?

When he steps into the big chair, if what you're saying is true, Al-Qaeda will be revealed as will Bush, and Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein will be uncloaked.

yes, the truth of this world comes out in this world, everyone will know about it, but when that time will come i do not know. the serbian president that died in hague also killed just like bush, and everything surfaced, it was boud to sooner or later

Why haven't they taken drastic measures to make sure that doesn't happen?

no secret can ever be hidden, especially these kind of secrets, inhumane acts, tortures, killings of innocent, etc....

if you are from the US then i think you should know about the My Lai massacre in vietnam, the commander of that massacre was Paul Meadlo i think. every bad thing surfaces sooner or later, and it is a matter of time before that does too, like i said the US accused iraq of nuclear weapons, so where are they? it had to come out at one point in life that there weren't any.

 

[Riverwolf]

i though that someone already tried that?

Not that I ever heard of.

yes, the truth of this world comes out in this world, everyone will know about it, but when that time will come i do not know. the serbian president that died in hague also killed just like bush, and everything surfaced, it was boud to sooner or later



no secret can ever be hidden, especially these kind of secrets, inhumane acts, tortures, killings of innocent, etc....

if you are from the US then i think you should know about the My Lai massacre in vietnam, the commander of that massacre was Paul Meadlo i think. every bad thing surfaces sooner or later, and it is a matter of time before that does too, like i said the US accused iraq of nuclear weapons, so where are they? it had to come out at one point in life that there weren't any.

Actually the false accusation wasn't specifically nuclear weapons, just "weapons of mass destruction". The fear was actually of biological weapons, that is weapons that are meant to spread disease.

And I don't know much about US history, to be honest. I was born on American soil, but I do not like this country or what it's become.

 

[kai]

it's not that he attacked his country, he made it so that a middle eastern country claimed responsibility (who was this ) and so that they can go there and steal its oil,( where ? How ?) then they invaded afganistan for the drugs, afganis grow drug and so the US decided to take that as well, (Druggs now well thats a new one) if it wasn't for that reason then why isn't it invading Kazakhistan, or pakistan, or syria, etc... it doesn't care about them, it wanted iraq and it got afganistan along the way.

and at first, didn't bush say that iraq had nuclear weapons. so where are they? a contry would not make such claims about another country without evidence, without seeing th weapons, but there weren't any in iraq and the US changed its policy afterwards, saying that they wanted to kill saddam hussain for inhumane acts. so saddam got killed now what?
(this did not happen overnight you know it was a very long build up about 12 years)
i tolled you, there is alot, to such things but it is hard to understand them
your right about that


yea thats what i have said, and how true that is i cannot be speciffic, but that is my claim, the US and alqaida is working together, and so is saddam, go ask any muslim about saddam and they will tell you he is alive living like a king, ( have you ever thought of writing a novel it would be "novel" )the same with osama bin laden. you think that the US cannot find him? they do not need to. well thats from my perspective, but yes i truelly do believe that alqaida got bribed, well the leaders anyway, the rest just obey orders.

and it is forbiden in the Kur'an, and the punishment for treachury and bribary against ones country is a death sentence. even if they did get bribed, they may not get punished in this world but theres no escaping judgment day, we all have to face it. and as muslims we are actually tolled to forgive people who do bad things to us, (people such as those who murder a loved one, those who harm you, those who take everything from you etc....) because Allah says "if you want a fair punishment for those people then leave their punishment to me" he says that because the worst we can do in this world is take ones life but in the afterlife, it's an etternal punishment by Allah. so thats why we are forgiving most of the time, but most muslims like to take revenge in this world rather than in the next, some just cannot bear it. we are human after all and pain is something that we humans cannot grow custom to.

well you have answered my question , you are ready to beleive just about anything , I am afraid you are either very gullible or you are being decieved,or both, this is utter nonsense. how are we supposed to take anything you say seriously.

 

[Gharib]

Thank you for this thread. I have learned so much. I am amazed at how much some of our christian denominations are like Islam. The christians that do not believe in evolution are like Islam. I never realized Muslims did not believe in evolution.

i'm glad you know that now., islam and christianity are like one religion but with some differences.

Now I have a question. Why do you not believe there will be any more prophets?

well the easiest answer i can give you is because the Kur'an (the word of Allah) says so.
one of the reasons why i think of that is because Muhammed (saws) was a prophet sent to humanity, unlike all the other prophets who were sent to one clan or one tribe. the bible and torah fortolled that a man named Ahmed was going to be the last prophet (since you are a christian you probably don't like me saying this but i will have to say it, i hope you can forgive me, don't take it as an offence or dissrespect agaisn't christianity, the christians and the jews both changed the verses of the holy books that spoke of Muhammed (saws), the jews also changed that which spoke of Jesus (as) and it cannot be found in there about Muhammed (saws) as the last prophet) there are other reasons but thats the one that i have chosen to tell you about, others are that, the kur'an says so (just as i said before), the small signs of judgment dy that we muslims are tolloed of in the kur'an are starting to appear,

Islam was started by someone who became the next abrahamic prophet. Why would there not be another one to help us understand this changing world?

there is none other because like i said, Muhammed (saws) is a prophet sent to humanity, his message (that of Allah revealed to Muhammed (saws)) will never dissapear untill judgment day.there will always be muslims in this world. unlike with other prophets whose people eventually failed to follow the message sent to them by their prophets. when ever the message dies (when there are no more beleivers) then Allah sends a new prophet, but now we have been given a promise by Allah that islam will live untill the final day (the day of judgment), and as mentioned before some of the small signs of judgment day have already appeared ie. people will love dogs like they love their children, men will look like women and women will look like men (homosexuals), etc....

i hope that information is enough for you, if not please let me know or make another question if you wish.

 

[kai]

i'm glad you know that now., islam and christianity are like one religion but with some differences.



well the easiest answer i can give you is because the Kur'an (the word of Allah) says so.
one of the reasons why i think of that is because Muhammed (saws) was a prophet sent to humanity, unlike all the other prophets who were sent to one clan or one tribe. the bible and torah fortolled that a man named Ahmed was going to be the last prophet (since you are a christian you probably don't like me saying this but i will have to say it, i hope you can forgive me, don't take it as an offence or dissrespect agaisn't christianity, the christians and the jews both changed the verses of the holy books that spoke of Muhammed (saws), the jews also changed that which spoke of Jesus (as) and it cannot be found in there about Muhammed (saws) as the last prophet) there are other reasons but thats the one that i have chosen to tell you about, others are that, the kur'an says so (just as i said before), the small signs of judgment dy that we muslims are tolloed of in the kur'an are starting to appear,



there is none other because like i said, Muhammed (saws) is a prophet sent to humanity, his message (that of Allah revealed to Muhammed (saws)) will never dissapear untill judgment day.there will always be muslims in this world. unlike with other prophets whose people eventually failed to follow the message sent to them by their prophets. when ever the message dies (when there are no more beleivers) then Allah sends a new prophet, but now we have been given a promise by Allah that islam will live untill the final day (the day of judgment), and as mentioned before some of the small signs of judgment day have already appeared ie. people will love dogs like they love their children, men will look like women and women will look like men (homosexuals), etc....

i hope that information is enough for you, if not please let me know or make another question if you wish.

Islam and Christianity are like two religions with some similarities

 

[challupa]

First of all you cannot offend me because I have no religion. I am not Christian or anything else. So don't worry about that.

I do have a question of why you think Mohammed made a prophesy about homosexuals when they were around long before Mohammed. I don't understand how that could be construed as a prophecy?

 

[Gharib]

well you have answered my question ,

does that mean i am psychic? :areyoucra

you are ready to beleive just about anything , I am afraid you are either very gullible or you are being decieved, this is utter nonsense. how are we supposed to take anything you say seriously

look, no one tells me what to beleive and you too do not need me to tell you what to beleive. as far as i know thats how it is (from my eyes) everyone is allowed to have a say, i am curious to now what you think, since you think i am wrong (and i cannot blame you, i probably am, but then again who knows). would you like to tell me of your perspective on the issue,i would appreciate it very much, i might get to learn something, and i might have a question for you, if you don't mind though.

what things can't you take seriously from me, let me guess??? everything, am i right?

look i really would like to hear your oppinion on the US and iraq war, i've heard it from Riverwolf only, so another perspective won't har me.

 

[Gharib]

Islam and Christianity are like two religions with some similarities

yeah i probably should have put it that way, thanks

 

[kai]

does that mean i am psychic? :areyoucra



look, no one tells me what to beleive and you too do not need me to tell you what to beleive. as far as i know thats how it is (from my eyes) everyone is allowed to have a say, i am curious to now what you think, since you think i am wrong (and i cannot blame you, i probably am, but then again who knows). would you like to tell me of your perspective on the issue,i would appreciate it very much, i might get to learn something, and i might have a question for you, if you don't mind though.

what things can't you take seriously from me, let me guess??? everything, am i right?

look i really would like to hear your oppinion on the US and iraq war, i've heard it from Riverwolf only, so another perspective won't har me.

OK heres my view


Saddam was a psychopathic bully, who manipulated everything he could to better himself, he carried on a form of brinkmanship letting the world think he had WMDs to try and frighten his neighbours and deter any military intervention in his brutal regime.

I think he fell foul of the international community with his invasion of Kuwait, which ultimately led to his downfall, he stalled and bluffed his way through 12 years of UN sanctions and resolutions. in the mean time Alqueda attacked America and the world took a turn for the worst, he had to face an american president who saw the twin towers of one of the greatest cities in the world come crashing down , and the policy of pre emptive action was born.

America and its allies were then unable to let weapons of mass destruction fall into the hands of terrorists, and Saddam with all his bluster fell foul of this moment in time. and his fate was sealed.

 

[Gharib]

First of all you cannot offend me because I have no religion. I am not Christian or anything else. So don't worry about that.

I do have a question of why you think Mohammed made a prophesy about homosexuals when they were around long before Mohammed. I don't understand how that could be construed as a prophecy?

yes they were way before Muhammed (saws), to a prophet named Lot (as) (i think thas how his name is said in english, or in accordance to the bible) they truely did exist and so Allah has brough back all the past people of this world into one society. there have been rich people such as kings and poor people such as slave, you can find that in todays society too, so the homosexual thing is part of that (i think, i'm not completely sure, well not 100%) so it isn't much of a prophecy but it has happened, same with the dog thing, as well as the water thing (i forgot to mention this) we muslims have been warned to not waste water since the 1400's, because the world will go dry (ie. the global worming thing, if you wish to call it that way) we have been tolled that people will strugle for water, but not the muslims(for us it will be easier, and i do not know if you have noticed this but i'm sure you have seen muslim women all covered up, and they do not feel the heat, infact they feel it less than the women who are basicly naked i should say (sorry for saying that) i don't mean to offend anyone, thats not my intention.

 

[Sententia]

Islam seems to be very similar to other religions with no proof to definitely say it is the one true religion. It also has absolutely no proof for many of its core beliefs and is just one of 1000s of religions...

People who believe in it do not seem statistically any more holy and still kill and steal just like every one else.

Overall if it makes you happy then be happy... If you want to preach to me that some dude was a prophet of god you would first need to prove god and prophets... Otherwise its a good story, I prefer harry potter or iron man but everyone seems to have unique tastes in fiction.

 

[zenzero]

Friend eselam,
Am only interested in that which connects all humans with all beings and all matter and no-matter; to which your allah falls very very short.
Thanks for helping in this understanding.
Love & rgds

 

[Gharib]

OK heres my view


Saddam was a psychopathic bully, who manipulated everything he could to better himself, he carried on a form of brinkmanship letting the world think he had WMDs to try and frighten his neighbours and deter any military intervention in his brutal regime.

I think he fell foul of the international community with his invasion of Kuwait, which ultimately led to his downfall, he stalled and bluffed his way through 12 years of UN sanctions and resolutions. in the mean time Alqueda attacked America and the world took a turn for the worst, he had to face an american president who saw the twin towers of one of the greatest cities in the world come crashing down , and the policy of pre emptive action was born.

America and its allies were then unable to let weapons of mass destruction fall into the hands of terrorists, and Saddam with all his bluster fell foul of this moment in time. and his fate was sealed.

ok i lke you perspective but there is one thing that bothers me.

1) you have tolled me that which i have seen on the knews, thats not your perspective
2) there were no weapons in iraq, if so then where are they?

you have not tolled anything that i didn't already know about from the knews, thats called manipulation of reality (the information from the media), so if you truelly beleive that then i cannot say to you you re wrong, thats what you chose to beleive, that fine by me. but it seems to me that well over a million people have the same story (the same as yours) so i cannot beleive that because it is a source taken from the media, and you do know how truthfull the media is, don't you? i cannot accept such a thing, i would rather agree with the perspective of Riverwolf rather than with you perspective, sorry but thats how i see it, i wish someone else can give their perspective on this to see what they have to say.

 

[kai]

ok i lke you perspective but there is one thing that bothers me.

1) you have tolled me that which i have seen on the knews, thats not your perspective, No thats my perspective having lived through it, taking into account all the information that was and is available to me.
2) there were no weapons in iraq, if so then where are they? He had none I already said it was Saddams bluff,

you have not tolled anything that i didn't already know about from the knews, thats called manipulation of reality (the information from the media), so if you truelly beleive that then i cannot say to you you re wrong, thats what you chose to beleive, that fine by me. but it seems to me that well over a million people have the same story (the same as yours) so i cannot beleive that because it is a source taken from the media, and you do know how truthfull the media is, don't you? i cannot accept such a thing, i would rather agree with the perspective of Riverwolf rather than with you perspective, sorry but thats how i see it, i wish someone else can give their perspective on this to see what they have to say.

Thats entirely up to you, but the idea that Saddam is alive and well living like a King is a new one on me

 

[Gharib]

Islam seems to be very similar to other religions with no proof to definitely say it is the one true religion. It also has absolutely no proof for many of its core beliefs and is just one of 1000s of religions...

People who believe in it do not seem statistically any more holy and still kill and steal just like every one else.

Overall if it makes you happy then be happy... If you want to preach to me that some dude was a prophet of god you would first need to prove god and prophets... Otherwise its a good story, I prefer harry potter or iron man but everyone seems to have unique tastes in fiction.

look friend i am not preaching at anyone, but if you tink i am doing that then you are wrong, i'm just answering questions for non muslims from a muslim perspective, thats it. how can that be preaching?

if you do not beleive in god then anything i say to you will be a waste, to tell you the truth. i can give it a shot if you want but i am telling you it won't make sense to you, no one needs to tell you to beleive in god, you must do that your self.

 

[Gharib]

Thats entirely up to you, but the idea that Saddam is alive and well living like a King is a new one on me

look thats my perspective just as your is from you, i cannot however say that i am sure for sure. i think that, in accordance to my other thoughts, but i may be wrong big time. who knows?

 

[kai]

look thats my perspective just as your is from you, i cannot however say that i am sure for sure. i think that, in accordance to my other thoughts, but i may be wrong big time. who knows?

Its so Bizarre, i wonder if you could tell me what leads you to believe he is alive and well and living like a King?

 

[abhimanyu]

ok even though i have no knowledge of this, i have to say that we cannot accept anyone else as a prophet after Muhammed (saws), so it is ok that he claimed to be a prophet but when he was asked to prove it, he couldn't...

Guru Arjan Dev and Guru Teg Bahadur belonged to the Sikh religion in India , and they were minding their own business, and simply teaching people about God and how to lead a pure and good life.

What business did the muslims have to go and harrasss and persecute the leaders and prophets of an another religion followed by many people, and who was causing harm to nobody, but only bringing goodness and the teachings of non-violence and peace to society !

if a prophet of Allah was asked to prove their divinity they would have, all the major prophets of Allah had prophetic signs since childhood, so it was no strange thing for Allah to help them out when they may have been is such situations, even though many prophets of Allah have been drowned by the people that they have been sent to. so the reason for the murders were for making false claims (an islamic perspective), for attempting to prove the word of Allah wrong and for not being able to provide proof of their devinity, for example Moses (as) oppened the water in two halfs with the power and will of Allah, and he aslo made his stick turn into a snake, then Jesus (as) had the power to heal by the will of Allah, etc...

Guru Teg Bahadur and Guru Arjan Dev were indeed noted for their miraculous powers, which they used only for the sake of others and not for selfish purposes.

Also does it mean that if these religious leaders who belonged to an another religion, did not display any miracles and so forth, they should be brutally tortured and murdered!!!

Just Guru Teg Bahadur's stoic and calm indifference to the various brutal tortures inflicted on him was a miracle in itself.

Guru Teg Bahadur stoically and calmly bore all the brutal atrocities inflicted on him in the same way Jesus did 2000 years back under the Roman torturers.