Islam, how much do you really know about it?

[Gharib]

Evolution is not an overnight process. life as we know it today have come to be what it is through billions of years of evolution.
Evolution is not a magical process, its a slow process that is influenced through the genome and effects of the environment. I believe it is much more logical than believing we were created magically in a single event.

by the way it doesn't make you a 'daughter of monkey' if it in anyway makes you feel less of a human, humans and apes are not the same species.

ok you are right. it doesn't happen overnight. and we go through many looks and forms before we turn to a human from a monkey. so why aren't there any beings that have half evolved? it has been many millions of years since we evolved according to evolution, so does this happen once in a billion years or have the monkeys lost their touch. the homosapien is the complete evolved being from a monkey so what about those beings in between? why have we evolved from monkeys by the way, because we have some similarities?

why do people downgrade thems selves when it comes to this topic, i guess it just shows how much of a monkey they really are , sorry for that but i just had to say it, please don't take it personally or seriously.

 

[Gharib]

Daughter of a monkey? I am pretty sure your father was a homo-sapien.

Evolution is a painfully SLOW process. Humans (in the form we are today) appeared almost 2.5 million years ago and we are not that different, except maybe mental evolution is quicker then physical. Evolution is a process that ALWAYS happening. As the needs for humans adjust, we adjust to work for that req. Your view of evolution is such due to ignorance. I suggest you a learn a little more about evolution before making such comments.

if evolution is a process that is always happening then can you please show me the beings that are half evolved from monkeys to humans. you know the ones that look half monkey and half human, or something like Micheal Jackson, he looks like that (like the apes in "The planet of the apes") , thats funny i must say.

can those people be found in todays society? if not, why not?
and since you said that evolution is a process that doesn't stop so it is hard for me to beleive that the half human half monkey beings don't exist. there must be such beings. it takes a long time for the process to be completed, from monkey to human, so they should exist, do they?

 

[Gharib]

Actually, humans didn't come so much from apes (gorillas, chimps etc.). Apes and humans had a common ancestor which they evolved from seperately as I understand it. Gorillas etc. went one evolutionary way to what we see today and humans evolved another way into what we see today.

can you please tell me who created the very first being (that wich started to evolve to other beings) and did it just happen to be there by itself or something or was it created by god. i mean the very very first being that started the evolution, who created it, how did it become to be.

 

[challupa]

can you please tell me who created the very first being (that wich started to evolve to other beings) and did it just happen to be there by itself or something or was it created by god. i mean the very very first being that started the evolution, who created it, how did it become to be.

My question is this: why can't there be a God and evolution?

 

[Gharib]

My question is this: why can't there be a God and evolution?

ok, if there is god then why would he need to create us through a long process such as the evolution, it takes 9 months for a baby to be born and not a million years, babies are created, they do not evolve from cats or mice, if god is in existence then the evolution theory isn't true, and if god isn't in existence then nothing would exist. if god created the very first bacteria then why would he not be able to create us straight away like the bacteria. god if powerfull, so why complicate things for us.

 

[Gharib]

This thread is turning into an inquisition. I think this thread should be only about Islam and asking questions about it which are constructive. By the way Eselam, this thread is in the wrong section, it should be in the comparative religion section.

i think you are right, do you know how i can move all of this there, or is it something that cannot happen. i still get confused about the forums, and i din't know this would turn this way

Eselam, thanks for the explanation on Namaz. I want to ask you a further question. How does Namaz feel? What kind of experiences have you in Namaz? How does each Namaz differ from the other? Does doing Namaz affect your everyday living and your outlook, if so, give some examples please.

i have answered this question in your thread "Is it true that the kabba was a hindu temple" you posted this question there but if you wish i can copy it here.

and to add some extra things: all the prayers are different to each other, some have 4 rekat, some have 15 rekat, including the farz and the sunnah. the morning namaz has 4, the lunch one has 10, the one after it (the third namaz) has 8, the sunset namaz has 5 and the last one has 15.

our namaz doesn't effect our everyday life, but it is things in our everyday life that affects our namaz for example, work, havind to live in a non muslim country, etc...

i hope thats what you mean by examples.

 

[Sententia]

ok, if there is god then why would he need to create us through a long process such as the evolution, it takes 9 months for a baby to be born and not a million years, babies are created, they do not evolve from cats or mice, if god is in existence then the evolution theory isn't true, and if god isn't in existence then nothing would exist. if god created the very first bacteria then why would he not be able to create us straight away like the bacteria. god if powerfull, so why complicate things for us.

There are some fantastic books on evolution and where we came from. Look at your hand... you see that extra skin between your thumb and index finger... We have some aquatic ancestors. We have organs which are near useless and systems designed to work much better and more efficiently if we walked on fours. We are still changing, all one has to do is look.

Are you allowed to research this and make your own conclusions or must you blindly adhere to religious dogma?

 

[Riverwolf]

What makes you think we were created, why did we have to be created? If you ask me, saying that we were created sounds as stupid, if not more than we came from monkeys, but realistically speaking; thinking that we came from monkeys is a rather simple view of evolution. We evolved from so much more, so many different forms of life.

We didn't evolve from monkeys; we evolved from Great Apes. There's a difference. ^_^

 

[Gharib]

There are some fantastic books on evolution and where we came from. Look at your hand... you see that extra skin between your thumb and index finger... We have some aquatic ancestors. We have organs which are near useless and systems designed to work much better and more efficiently if we walked on fours. We are still changing, all one has to do is look.

Are you allowed to research this and make your own conclusions or must you blindly adhere to religious dogma?

i do not need to do any reseach i have the answer in the Kur'an by Allah, so why is it that humans evolved from other animals, why doesn't science say that other animals evolved from humans, we have similarities with basically every animal, and all other animals have a very small similarity with one another. so we humans must be the ancestors of all the other creatures, i'd say humans have evolved into other animals, unlike your claims. and i have proof for saying that, humans have similarities with basiccaly with every animal on earth.

if you wish to talk about similarities then tell me this, a goat and a sheep are the same but with some differences, so who evolved from which. did the goat evolve from a sheep or did a sheep evolve from a goat, or did they both evolve from a pig, thus all 3 have similarities.

 

[Gharib]

We didn't evolve from monkeys; we evolved from Great Apes. There's a difference. ^_^

and from what did the great apes evolve from, and what about that before that, and what about the very first creature, where did it come from, from what did it evolve if it was the first creature.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sorry but I don't want to be the daughter of a monkey and I am not and thanks to Allah that I am not degraded to such a status.
And tell me why don't we see now in our present time monkeys evolve and become humans. Does that theory applied only to a certain past time and is no longer valid now?!

Because that's not how it worked at all.

It wasn't monkey -> human. Different species of humans (yes, there used to be more than one species of humans), first evolved 3,000,000 years ago. You want proof that there were multiple species of humans? Neanderthals. Study of their DNA proved that they were a completely different species, and they used tools, wore cloths, and likely had a highly flushed culture of their own. And it was Homo Habilis (or Erectus, can't remember which) that discovered how to control fire, from what I understand, I think circa (around) 2,000,000 years ago.

And BTW, Chimpanzees use tools. It is possible to have a basic conversation with a Gorilla using sign language. Koko proves that. (as a side note, Koko actually created some of her own signs out of ones she was taught)

Evolution works over millenia. We won't see any noticeable difference in current life forms within the next 1000 years at all. But come back in 10,000 years and there will be a small difference. Come back in 100,000 years, and there will be a huge difference.

And I don't want to be elevated above nature, and thanks to what Darwin studied, I discover that I am not removed from nature at all. ^_^ Guess you can't please them all, can you?

 

[Riverwolf]

if evolution is a process that is always happening then can you please show me the beings that are half evolved from monkeys to humans. you know the ones that look half monkey and half human, or something like Micheal Jackson, he looks like that (like the apes in "The planet of the apes") , thats funny i must say.

can those people be found in todays society? if not, why not?
and since you said that evolution is a process that doesn't stop so it is hard for me to beleive that the half human half monkey beings don't exist. there must be such beings. it takes a long time for the process to be completed, from monkey to human, so they should exist, do they?

You speak of the so-called "missing link", and it's been searched for for the past 150 years, and hasn't been found... because it doesn't exist.

It's not a single line. Look at your family tree: that's what our evolutionary tree looks like.

 

[Gharib]

dear Riverwolf

there are birds who use rocks as tools , so i would like to know what our relationship to them is.

 

[Riverwolf]

dear Riverwolf

there are birds who use rocks as tools , so i would like to know what our relationship to them is.

Birds and humans split from a common ancestor way before the dinosaurs. Scientists have theorized (and I agree) that many dinosaurs (like raptors and the like) evolved into modern-day birds, and dinosaurs evolved from ancient reptiles, as did mammals.

 

[Gharib]

You speak of the so-called "missing link", and it's been searched for for the past 150 years, and hasn't been found... because it doesn't exist.

It's not a single line. Look at your family tree: that's what our evolutionary tree looks like.

your post above this says that there are other species between humans and monkeys. so where are they then, evolution is a non stop process. why aren't there any of those creatures? because evolution is a made up story by a monkey for other monkeys, sorry for saying this it may be a rude thing to say. if you do not accept evolutuion as a lie to prevent god from attaining the credibility, then where are the other creatures that are in-between humans and monkeys. if you can answer this for me then i will say god does not exist, i want proof and i want to see those of todays society, not some dead corpses, but live ones. if there aren't any you must accept that the evolution is not real, but i dought you will.

 

[Gharib]

Birds and humans split from a common ancestor way before the dinosaurs. Scientists have theorized (and I agree) that many dinosaurs (like raptors and the like) evolved into modern-day birds, and dinosaurs evolved from ancient reptiles, as did mammals.

yes you are right, the crocodiles are an evolved being from the dinosaurs, right. what a joke, thats doesn't cut it.

 

[Riverwolf]

and from what did the great apes evolve from, and what about that before that, and what about the very first creature, where did it come from, from what did it evolve if it was the first creature.

You won't find those answers in us, I think, but theories do exist. You should research them yourself.

The first forms of life were single-celled organisms, they say, and they reproduced asexually; that is, they reproduced by literally splitting in two. (side note: bacteria still dominate this planet far, far more so than other form of life) Eventually they evolved (I have no idea how) into more complex beings, and became ultimately fish. (Sharks still dominate the seas, and have done so for the past 400 million years) Eventually certain inquisitive fish took to the land, and evolved into amphibians. Amphibians evolved into reptiles and insects separately. (Insects remain the dominate complex form of life on earth) Reptiles evolved into dinosaurs and mammals, again separately. Certain dinosaurs evolved into birds, and mammals evolved eventually into the forms of life that we evolved from.

I don't see how this is incompatible with a creator God. God created the first bacteria (by manipulating the nature of his world), and installed the system of evolution.

Is that so hard to grasp?

 

[Riverwolf]

yes you are right, the crocodiles are an evolved being from the dinosaurs, right. what a joke, thats doesn't cut it.

Not at all. Crocodiles evolved alongside dinosaurs, but they are completely different.

 

[Riverwolf]

your post above this says that there are other species between humans and monkeys. so where are they then, evolution is a non stop process. why aren't there any of those creatures? because evolution is a made up story by a monkey for other monkeys, sorry for saying this it may be a rude thing to say. if you do not accept evolutuion as a lie to prevent god from attaining the credibility, then where are the other creatures that are in-between humans and monkeys. if you can answer this for me then i will say god does not exist, i want proof and i want to see those of todays society, not some dead corpses, but live ones. if there aren't any you must accept that the evolution is not real, but i dought you will.

I will not, because we have stamped out all of our competitors. We hunted them, or out-competed them, to extinction.

There's no realistic reason to think that the so-called 'missing link' is still around.

 

[Gharib]

You won't find those answers in us, I think, but theories do exist. You should research them yourself.

The first forms of life were single-celled organisms, they say, and they reproduced asexually; that is, they reproduced by literally splitting in two. (side note: bacteria still dominate this planet far, far more so than other form of life) Eventually they evolved (I have no idea how) into more complex beings, and became ultimately fish. (Sharks still dominate the seas, and have done so for the past 400 million years) Eventually certain inquisitive fish took to the land, and evolved into amphibians. Amphibians evolved into reptiles and insects separately. (Insects remain the dominate complex form of life on earth) Reptiles evolved into dinosaurs and mammals, again separately. Certain dinosaurs evolved into birds, and mammals evolved eventually into the forms of life that we evolved from.

I don't see how this is incompatible with a creator God. God created the first bacteria (by manipulating the nature of his world), and installed the system of evolution.

Is that so hard to grasp?

ok so why did the evolution stop then?