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Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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Useless2015
Active Member
Are we really doing this ?..
On a Monday?
So by you're definition, the people who fought against the Nazi's were terrorists. Why are terrorists being hailed as heros in the West? They used to kill cops, germans, traitors, bombing trains full of nazi's. Why is this heroic?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
How is Obama an "evil tyrant"? Can you point to actions by Obama during his presidency that fulfills this claim?
Useless2015
Active Member
Leading a terrorist organisation? How can the terrorists/'soldiers' do anything without the permission of the President?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Intent is everything. If any group targets innocent civilians specifically, they are committing an atrocity. But, when a group ends up killing innocent civilians collaterally in the effort to take out an actual military target, that can be understandable. This is because groups cannot be hindered from doing what is best for their own people because their enemies hide among the innocent.
During WWII, the allies pretty much destroyed western europe. It was a necessary evil, as the Nazis were set on destroying the world, and succeeding at it too. Similarly, a group like ISIS who claims repeatedly that they will keep targeting innocent civilians specifically cannot be left to their own devices. As a global society, we all have a responsibility to make sure extremism of this nature doesn't survive.
Shad
Veteran Member
Strawman. Many terrorists never receive permission from a state leader for their acts. At best Obama could be charged with war crimes. You paint yourself into a corner as well by putting forward terrorism requires an organization and a form of statehood/political leadership to be considered terrorism. Using your argument I could start labeling Muslim states as terrorist states when terrorists are located within any given nations territory. After all they need permission from said states leaders right?
Useless2015
Active Member
Mate i gave you facts in other topics which state that America and their allies had a collaterol damage at a staggering 77 percent. 10 percent is debatable wether or not accidents. If 77 percent of your victims are innocent souls than its not an accident but genocide.
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
American Soldiers aren't terrorists as they are legally sanctioned to do their job. They also don't target innocent civilians with the intent to simply kill as many innocent people as possible.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
mate?
Useless2015
Active Member
Terrorism is inciting fear for a political purpose.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
How has Obama "incited fear" specifically?
Shad
Veteran Member
Oversimplification since people can fear an event which was never intended to create fear. I could fear the lost of my home in carpet bombing attack but the purpose of the attack is the factory building war materials not my home. My home is collateral damage not the specific target. Fear is the product of my views not the views of those organizing said attack.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
The definition implies that it must be done intentionally for a political end.
Useless2015
Active Member
Giving permission to the AAF to drop bombs on innocent civilians. I would live in total fear if any day i could be struck by a drone.
Useless2015
Active Member
Well its quite easy talking like this from the comfort of your own home. No drones flying above your house right, no bombs that are killing your family members. Well i tend to look at things differently.
Shad
Veteran Member
The problem is definition changes largely based on emotions. Many people see themselves as freedom fighters not terrorists while the opposing side sees them as terrorist. The UN itself has major issues with a proper definition to the point that there have been a number of conventions which addressed the definition and it's problems. So while one sees Obama and the US military as terrorists many people do not. Which is why I focused on the event and a person within the event. The event itself may not have the purpose of creating fear but there is fear due to a subjective view from a person within said event. The definition is so vague that an event can be and not be terrorism depending on the view point. This is one of the primary reasons terrorism as a term and label are tossed around so much. It has become a subjective term.
Shad
Veteran Member
Exactly. Your view points lead you to this conclusion. However a strategist sees drones in many ways. A specific set of drones can be for recon only. So if you fear a drone attack but are unaware that the drones you see overhead are for recon only then your subjective view is based on your ignorance of the strategy for said drones at hand. This is not your fault as I do not think any of us are aware of the purpose of any particular drone deployed at every moment. Another set of drones could be used for strikes Again these strikes could be for specific targets. In the end it is your fear of the worst case scenario which leads you to the conclusion that all drones are used for terrorism when many are not. You project your fear as if it was the purpose of all drones and all drone mission to create an irrational conclusion based upon your subjective views with subjective information. You are reading the reaction of the people into the purpose of the mission. Again many people fear a lot of different events all of which can be collateral to the event not the purpose of the event.
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
Are you a first Iraqi ???
America did not use terrorism in Iraq
America came to Iraq under the pretext of an official from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE
I was in that war militarily
And I was present in the 1991 war and the 2003 war
America came to Iraq for oil
And the salaries of the US military in Iraq were from Saudi Oil
I want to offer you and to the members of how the US planes bombed targets in how Iraq
Before being hit any target pilot was hovering around the goal and tries to warn Alalepeshr at that location squatters evicted
Because his goal is to destroy the military capacity and is not aimed at killing human
Between 1997 and 2000 there was an undeclared war
The Taira T. Iraqi airspace in the US comes from bases in Turkey
The bomb all military targets inside Latitude 39
And we had the hardware stores are protected under the ground in the area Badush
When it was destroyed, and I was in this military site
Alcaira was hovering around us and two cycle
And when we leave the stores
The US pilot destroys its target of any military equipment only
If he had wanted to just kill you now I'm in the grave
That is why I tell you America's war differs from the wars of the Koran
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
Islam is a terrorist thought
It produces terrorists
Intellectual terrorism base in Islam are the Qur'an
The teachings of the Koran
America is fighting for their own interests
There is a big difference between crime and terrorism
Crime be personal motives
While terrorism have motives and reasons of thoughtThe word terrorism of words of the Koran, why try to deny this fact
???
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
American superpower after World War II
They are trying to protect their interests
America did not kill a million people in Iraq
This talk is propaganda
And I ask you
Who is responsible for the killing of a million Christian Armenians and Assyrian and Chaldean
At the end of World War I.
Are these also killed American
Muslims expelled them and killed them and looted and robbed their property
And the massacres of the Iraqi city of Semel and the killing of Christians in 1936 and another WFP