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Islam: What the West needs to know

waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
TashaN said:
You are obviously not reading. Have you read the first line? After Mohammed death?!!!!

What does this wiki article has to do with the verse you are asking me about? Mohamed was alive back then. You appear to either have a reading or comprehension problem, i'm afraid. Are you?
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what difference does it it make if mohammed was dead yet or not?
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

Submit
Keep your prayers for yourself.
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It means thank you.

What you are trying to do here is derailing any verse or hadith by asking: What is context? Which indicates that you never hear of (Usool ul-Fiqh) or the rules of legislation in Islam, because if you study it, you could easily read this (the consideration is in the generality of the wording, not in its specific cause of legislation). Sheikh al islam ibn taymyya said:
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Are you somewhat deranged to try and lecture me on fiqh when you are trying to negate perfectly clear ayats from the Qur'an with an Haidth. Given the nature of an Hadith it is always taken under context or MATN.

When Muhammad orders Muslims not to start Jews or Christians by SALAm, he meant all Jews and all Christians. Don't twist the truth or try to decorate it.
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I am not twisting anything. As Tashan stated Jews would say As-Samu (DEATH) Alaikum (unto you) which meant that a Muslim should respond to all greetings with Wa' Alaikum (and upon you too). How thick does one have to be to not understand the command then and instead focus on one obscure command given at that time.

Like I said you started with a bold number of verses from the Qur'an and have resorted to debating the matn of one hadith against multiple verses from the Qur'an and the Hadith, nice debating champ.
 
C.E.O

C.E.O

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Bismillah said:
Are you somewhat deranged to try and lecture me on fiqh ........ How thick does one have to be to not understand the command
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perfect, you start to revile. Are these your ethics which your've learned from your religion? exactly like your Muhammad when he asked Muslims to curse others.
Just ask me where,to teach you the truth which your ignorance blinds from seeing it. :redcard:
 
TashaN

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
waitasec said:
you are obviously evading the question, makes me all the more suspicious of the islamic faith...

you are not helping.....typical no less.
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Yeah, you should feel suspicious of the islamic faith. It's dangerous, and if you are not careful enough, it might come to you as a nightmare while you sleep. You would hear a sound in that nightmare "I'm the islamic faithhhhh :shout wohha ha ha ha, now you will have to accept me or else ....", lol.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
TashaN said:
Yeah, you should feel suspicious of the islamic faith. It's dangerous, and if you are not careful enough, it might come to you as a nightmare while you sleep. You would hear a sound in that nightmare "I'm the islamic faithhhhh :shout wohha ha ha ha, now you will have to accept me or else ....", lol.
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no, i don't mean that...but
there are fundamental extremist muslims that have flown into buildings...or blow themselves up from time to time...
 
TashaN

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
waitasec said:
no, i don't mean that...but
there are fundamental extremist muslims that have flown into buildings...or blow themselves up from time to time...
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Yeah i know what you mean, it sucks huh! Those crazy Muslims flying into buildings. Imagine we have more than one billion of them on our planet! can you believe it? what we gonna do now?!
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

Submit
perfect, you start to revile. Are these your ethics which your've learned from your religion? exactly like your Muhammad when he asked Muslims to curse others.
Just ask me where,to teach you the truth which your ignorance blinds from seeing it. :redcard:
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Like I said, you have no more to go on, I won't bother responding unless you try and present another feeble argument instead of lecturing me on fiqh LOL.
 
Chisti

Chisti

Active Member
Bismillah said:
Like I said, you have no more to go on, I won't bother responding unless you try and present another feeble argument instead of lecturing me on fiqh LOL.
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CEO has no arguments left, so he's looking for a dignified exit. And what better way to do that than to say, "You're reviling me, so I won't participate in this thread anymore. You're just like your prophet, bla, bla. So I win."
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
TashaN said:
Regarding forcing them to the sidewalk. It was necessary back then to show they weren't afraid of them, because back then there were so many Jewish tribes in Medinah and they were so powerful, had so many money and weapons. Heck, the only supply of weapons in Madinah was coming from Jews. They were having a very high statues in the society and their leaders were well respected and famous. So, they had some tension with Mohammed and the Muslims because Mohammed threatened the financial gains Jewish tribes had back then. Mohamed stopped the fight of the biggest two Arab tribes in Madinah whom Jewish were benefiting from arming them to go into battles. Add to do that threatening their religious statues because the Arabs of Madinah were respecting the religious statues of Jews back then and were regarded as scholars.
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Thank you for this explanation, Tashan. Based on what you have said, what is described in the hadith was a necessary measure "back then", because of the special circumstances you described. But, it is certainly not today's sidewalk etiquette, as Bismillah suggested.
 
TashaN

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Mr Spinkles said:
Thank you for this explanation, Tashan. Based on what you have said, what is described in the hadith was a necessary measure "back then", because of the special circumstances you described. But, it is certainly not today's sidewalk etiquette, as Bismillah suggested.
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I can't answer for him. I just gave my opinion on this matter and what i thought to be true. He might be right and i might be wrong, who knows!
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
TashaN said:
Do what?
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find a solution to the inaccurate reputation of islam, of course.
what do you think i'm talking about? :facepalm:

islam is not my problem...
it seems to be presenting some for you though...
so, what are you gonna do about it?
 
TashaN

TashaN

Veteran Member
Premium Member
waitasec said:
find a solution to the inaccurate reputation of islam, of course.
what do you think i'm talking about? :facepalm:

islam is not my problem...
it seems to be presenting some for you though...
so, what are you gonna do about it?
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I really don't know. Can you help me to know what i should do about it please?
 
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