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Islam will dominate!

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
I mean that the verse is talking about people who make friends and allies of disbelievers instead of believers, as in they choose the disbelievers over the believers because they seek honor or power or anything else.

Well I merely giving you these verses of allies and friendship as an example to be aware of. You allied yourself with the disbelievers and belittled my beurifull fatiaha even though he was spot on.

You also smiled when you were asked to be the dividing point between muslims by your comrads.

If a Muslim wants to kill someone and i'm standing there, shouldn't i stop him. That's what i mean, i'm not being against you in general, i mean only in that situation by telling you what i think.

Killing is not opperssion. If it was killing the hadith would have said so. it clearly said opperssion. Therefore the muslim need to stop his brothers opperssion but at the same time NEVER forsake them.

Well there is nothing wrong with that question, that's why when i understood what you meant in the beginning i answered it. But then the thread started to become different later on, i mean it didn't remain on that subject.

Please go back to the begining of the thread. It started to become different later on because of guests from burkina faso posted links to a grousome site showing burnt out muslim babies and hatefully twisted to being nonmuslims and that muslims did such barbaric crime to defenseless babies.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Still close but not quite. Keep it up. That verse that I pasted a few pages ago you will never be able to discredit it. The enmosity gets inbtween you and you fall short again.

Destruction of a mosque is nothing to do with muslim people?

Maybe it does. I don't know who did that, or why. But it is not a tragic occurrence because they are Muslims, but instead because they are people.

As for that verse, I can't help noticing that it doesn't even refer to secularism - so why do you use it to accuse secularism?
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Maybe it does. I don't know who did that, or why. But it is not a tragic occurrence because they are Muslims, but instead because they are people.

still closer but not quite. Biase is getting in the way between you and that verse.

I would have no problem whatsoever in acknowledging such crimes committed by a majority against a minority. Muslims and not muslim is irralavant.

If it was not for me and my creator my brotherns would be today called animals for a crime they did not commit. And the grive of the babies is another thing.

As for that verse, I can't help noticing that it doesn't even refer to secularism - so why do you use it to accuse secularism?

I was not refering to secularsim in that verse. What made you think that.
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
You accused secularism just a few posts ago, didn't you?

lol I have been accusing secularisim from day one of the majority of atrocities committed today.

Even secular india is the cause of pitching majority religion against other muslim and christian minorities.

Maybe you could post me the excat post so I know what to repond to.

post it and will check it out tomorrow InshAllah.

Peace man.
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well I merely giving you these verses of allies and friendship as an example to be aware of. You allied yourself with the disbelievers and belittled my beurifull fatiaha even though he was spot on.

Thank you for your advice. But i didn't side with anyone against you, i only criticized him for not responding to their claims by arguments or facts, I didn't mean to bother Fatihah in anyway, that's why i apologized to him when i felt that he felt like being slandered. Also, if my approach to argue against you and Fatihah have bothered you because you felt i was taking their side against you in general, please accept my apologies.

By the way Fatihah i think is a he, not a she. According to the male sign in his information.

You also smiled when you were asked to be the dividing point between muslims by your comrads.

Yes because he was joking, not meaning that as a real question.

Killing is not opperssion. If it was killing the hadith would have said so. it clearly said opperssion. Therefore the muslim need to stop his brothers opperssion but at the same time NEVER forsake them.

I gave a wrong example, i meant when a Muslim does any act that is hurtful to others, i should try to stop him, but of course i didn't mean to forsake him, you are right, and i didn't intend to forsake any Muslim i argue against.

Please go back to the begining of the thread. It started to become different later on because of guests from burkina faso posted links to a grousome site showing burnt out muslim babies and hatefully twisted to being nonmuslims and that muslims did such barbaric crime to defenseless babies.

Yes i know, but it was a response to the attack on other religions like pagans, and i think you were arguing with Madhuri about something, so this thing came up.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
lol I have been accusing secularisim from day one of the majority of atrocities committed today.

Even secular india is the cause of pitching majority religion against other muslim and christian minorities.

Maybe you could post me the excat post so I know what to repond to.

post it and will check it out tomorrow InshAllah.

Peace man.

Actually, 301ouncer, I don't think you're deserving that much attention. It is your privilege to accuse secularism out of thin air and without evidence, support or even a logical reason to. And it is my privilege to recognize that attitude of yours as the immature and unjust rant that it is and treat it accordingly.

I have no duty to indulge your unfair accusations, and I may very well have some degree of duty to discourage them.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ouncer,

Is burikna faso also in anyway related to Muzambik?

There is a relation which your mind cannot comprehend as it is also known that though humans and animals are related but not every human born is human by nature there are pigs and dogs in human clothing still they are related to the same entity including we as humans.

Love & rgds
 

Haris19

Member
let me repeat, there was never a perfect place anywhere before, arrival of islam and christianity made life of Indians worst, during their days India was hell in earth

Oh please go on repeating.. its quite clear now that u dont have anything else to say but repeat the same over and over again....What a shame!!:D


This is your best chance to be aware that, you are total moron about Indian history.

LOL!u just cant quit calling me names can u?.Anyways.. i think ive already told you that if its a one sided, hindu fanatic version of Indian history,please keep it to urself .I think we have had enough of that garbage here.

Let me say about Akbar and Tipu, they are simply About Tipu sultan

Some historians claim that he had an egalitarian attitude towards Hindus and was harsh towards them only when politically expedient.[8] In the first part of his reign in particular he appears to have been notably more aggressive and religiously doctrinaire than his father, Hyder Ali.[9] Some historians claim that Tipu Sultan was a religious persecutor of Hindus.

As late as 1784, the Dutch missionary Christian Friedrich Schwarz describes Tippu's alleged abduction of 12,000 children from the region.[11] It is alleged that the invaders plundered the country and took away the cattle and grain.[11] The invasion is believed to have had such an impact on the economy of the country that it did not recover until the start of the nineteenth century.

Hayavadana C. Rao, writing for the Raja of Mysore (whose dynasty was installed as rulers of Mysore by the British after they killed Tipu Sultan), wrote about Tipu in his encyclopaedic work The History of Mysore. He asserted that Tipu's "religious fanaticism and the excesses committed in the name of religion, both in Mysore and in the provinces, stand condemned for all time. His bigotry, indeed, was so great that it precluded all ideas of toleration". He further asserts that the acts of Tipu that were constructive towards Hindus were largely political and ostentatious rather than an indication of genuine tolerance.

Tipu sent a letter on January 19, 1790 to Budruz Zuman Khan. It says:
Don't you know I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam? I am determined to march against that cursed Raman Nair very soon. Since I am overjoyed at the prospect of converting him and his subjects to Islam, I have happily abandoned the idea of going back to Srirangapatanam now.[29]


Tipus attitude towards christians

The Bakur Manuscript reports him as having said: "All Musalmans should unite together, and considering the annihilation of infidels as a sacred duty, labor to the utmost of their power, to accomplish that subject.

Tipu's army set fire to the church at Palayoor and attacked the Ollur Church in 1790. Furthernmore, the Arthat church and the Ambazhakkad seminary was also destroyed. Over the course of this invasion, many Syrian Malabar Nasrani were killed or forcibly converted to Islam. Most of the coconut, arecanut, pepper and cashew plantations held by the Syrian Malabar farmers were also indiscriminately destroyed by the invading army.

The crime of Tipu not ends here, but there is a limit i can post here.


About Akbar

Akbar allowed the conversion of a mosque into Hindu temple at Kurukshetra.[71] He gave two villages for the upkeep of a mosque and a Madrasa which was setup by destroying a Hindu temple.[71] Akbar's army was responsible for the demolition of rich Hindu temples which had gold idols in the Doab region.[71] He changed name of Prayag to Allahabad pronounced as ilahabad in 1583 as he started a new religion called Din E ilahi.

Having conquered Rajputana, Akbar turned to Gujarat, whose government was in a state of disarray after the death of its previous ruler, Bahadur Shah. The province was a tempting target as it was a center of world trade, it possessed fertile soil and had highly developed crafts.[37] The province had been occupied by Humayun for a brief period, and prior to that was ruled by the Delhi Sultanate.[31] In 1572, Akbar marched to Ahmedabad, which capitulated without offering resistance. He took Surat by siege, and then crossed the Mahi river and defeated his estranged cousins, the Mirzas, in a hard-fought battle at Sarnal.[37][38] During the campaign, Akbar met a group of Portugese merchants for the first time at Cambay.



According to Thomas Munro, a Scottish soldier and the first collector of Canara, around 60,000 of them,[39] nearly 92 percent of the entire Mangalorean Catholic community, were captured, only 7,000 escaped. Francis Buchanan gives the numbers as 70,000 captured, from a population of 80,000, with 10,000 escaping


. The young women and girls were forcibly made wives of the Muslims living there.[40] The young men who offered resistance were disfigured by cutting their noses, upper lips, and ears.[41] According to Mr. Silva of Gangolim, a survivor of the captivity, if a person who had escaped from Seringapatam was found, the punishment under the orders of Tipu was the cutting off of the ears, nose, the feet and one hand.



Tipu sent a letter on January 19, 1790 to Budruz Zuman Khan. It says:
Don't you know I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam? I am determined to march against that cursed Raman Nair very soon. Since I am overjoyed at the prospect of converting him and his subjects to Islam, I have happily abandoned the idea of going back to Srirangapatanam now.[29]

The story of Tipu and Akbar not ends here, but there is a limitation of time.

Definitely Mughals were not humans, they are worser than animals......


The sources are wikipedia,

Wikipedia - Tipu Sultan
Wikipedia - Akbar

Let Islam dominate the world :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


Oh boy! there u go again :D.FYI im a south indian from Kerala and my town is Kodungalloor which has the first mosque of India.And no it was not built by the Mughals or tipu sultan.Islam first came to india in Malabar through trade between the maapilaas and the Arabs.Ill use the same sources as urs to give the real version of history.Here goes.Read and tell ur RSS and VHP friends to stop misleading people and spreading their venom and hate in society.


Islam in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Peace!
 

Haris19

Member
it was indeed all hindu babies, those who was burnt in the train were all hindus.

On 27 February 2002 at Godhra City in the state of Gujarat, the Sabarmati Express train was forcibly stopped and attacked by a large Muslim mob.[1] As a result, 59 Hindu passengers — mostly women, children and seniors returning from the holy city of Ayodhya — were burned alive.

Gujarat violence - wikipedia

You still cant accept this fact?


LOL!!The fanatics want the whole world to accept the killing of 70 or so humans and condemn it(which many countries and individuals including secular Muslims did) but they(fanatics) simply cant accept and condemn the killing of over 2500 humans including unborn babies (taken out of women's wombs with swords and killed).What a hypocrisy!!!!!
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
LOL!!The fanatics want the whole world to accept the killing of 70 or so humans and condemn it(which many countries and individuals including secular Muslims did) but they(fanatics) simply cant accept and condemn the killing of over 2500 humans including unborn babies (taken out of women's wombs with swords and killed).What a hypocrisy!!!!!

I feel sorry for all those who lost their lives Hindu and Muslim. Your numbers are some what high but one dead muslim is to many. I have no great love for the VHP or any type of Fundamentalist nationalist groups Hindu, Christian, Buddhist or Muslim.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Yep. Sorry lava I am with Fatihah all the way.

Harsh to the believers and soft to the disbelievers. It should be the opposite. But when they slander you and you respond they will say why are you hash on us. Have seen quite alot of that all the time.

harsh to believers and soft to disbelievers? i am sorry but i think you are wrong. too bad you don't think of numbers of Muslims and non-Muslims here

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.lava

Veteran Member
Response: I'm no where near upset. My humility is strong enough not to get upset with what a person says to me on a website. I'm merely stating my view. Likewise you are stating yours. And when I see you, who professes to be a muslim slander other muslims, including myself, and befriend those who slander Allah, I'm going to address it. Especially when you claim a message of love, yet slander at the same time. Such hypocrisy is defaming to islam and as a muslim, I 'm obligated to speak on it.

i am not slandering you. i am not hypcritical either. speak as you like, Fatihah. i would not follow you. i would follow those who love human as a creature of God. it does not matter what you think i am. i won't become your thoughts and i am also obligated to share what i know. it is my pleasure to invite people to love each other

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Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Yep. Sorry lava I am with Fatihah all the way.

Harsh to the believers and soft to the disbelievers. It should be the opposite. But when they slander you and you respond they will say why are you hash on us. Have seen quite alot of that all the time.

I will tell you that when I read a post from Lava I want to find out more about Islam. When I go through your posts I see no love for anyone. I am sorry but at times you make Islam sound like a religion of hate.
 

Haris19

Member
I feel sorry for all those who lost their lives Hindu and Muslim. Your numbers are some what high but one dead muslim is to many. I have no great love for the VHP or any type of Fundamentalist nationalist groups Hindu, Christian, Buddhist or Muslim.


Praise GOD!im extremely happy to see a sensible and secular follower of hinduism in this forum.It is those who uphold the real teachings of GOD who will bring peace and harmony back in this world and it is they who will dominate this world GOD willing..

Submitters are the true followers of God's religion. While every religion has been corrupted by innovations, traditions, and false, idolatrous doctrines, there may be "Submitters" within every religion. There may be Submitters who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or anything else .These Submitters, collectively, constitute the only religion acceptable to God. All Submitters who are devoted to God ALONE, and do not set up any idols beside God, are redeemed into God's eternal kingdom (2:62).

Unity of All Submitters​
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

Peace!
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
Back to original discussion:

1) Guru Arjan Dev was martyred by Jahangir
2) Guru Tegh Badhur was martyred by Aurangzeb
3) The Mughals went to the Punjab to supress the Sikhs
4) The Mughals killed the two younger sons of the Guru Gobind Singh

These are acts of force. Do you dispute any of them occurred? Note that I can provide sources for all of these, and if you cannot provide contemporary counter-sources, then you are not entitled to say they do not count as proof. For example, in the case of the train-burning incident, you provided a counter-source (301) to demonstrate that the original claim was contested. If you wish to contest these claims, you must also provide counter-sources.

"In Goindwal, which is on the river Biyãh (Beas), there was a Hindu named Arjan, in the garments of sainthood and sanctity, so much so that he had captured many of the simple-hearted of the Hindus, and even of the ignorant and foolish followers of Islam, by his ways and manners, and they had loudly sounded the drum of his holiness. They called him Guru, and from all sides stupid people crowded to worship and manifest complete faith in him. For three or four generations (of spiritual successors) they had kept this shop warm. Many times it occurred to me to put a stop to this vain affair or to bring him into the assembly of the people of Islam. At last when Khusrau passed along this road this insignificant fellow proposed to wait upon him. Khusrau happened to halt at the place where he was, and he came out and did homage to him. He behaved to Khusrau in certain special ways, and made on his forehead a finger-mark in saffron, which the Indians (Hinduwän) call qashqa, (Tilak) and is considered propitious. When this came to my ears and I clearly understood his folly, I ordered them to produce him and handed over his houses, dwelling-places, and children to Murtaza Khan, and having confiscated his property commanded that he should be put to death" - Tuzk-e-Janghiri

This is from Jahangir's memoirs. This was written in his time. He did not contest it, nor are there any records of him attempting to supress it or punish anyone for possession or distribution for it. There are no counter-sources, to the best of my knowledge (unless you go and find one).

301 ouncer and Fatihah, please realize that in doing this I am not attempting to shame the entirety of Islam, or trying to paint all Muslims as evil, or even paint the entire Mughal Empire as evil. I realize there were a number of great technological and architectural and cultural progressions under the Empire; but your denial of any atrocity is a slap in the face to the memory of my ancestors, and I will not let that pass. There are Muslims, or those who claim to be Muslims, capable of great evil, such as 9/11. They exist. Your religion is not evil through-and-through, but there are elements within in and there were elements within it that were. To deny they ever existed is to deny honour and respect to the memories of those killed by them. It is equal to Holocaust denial, or perhaps fifty years from now, '9/11 denial'. It happened. Accept it. Move on. I'm not looking for an apology for the crimes, for you have nothing to apologize for; but continued denial is both immoral and disrespectful.

i don't think Muslims need to apologize for what some other Muslims did years ago. i know i would not. every person is responsible of his actions and noone would pay for what others did. i am sorry but i think this is illogical

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DeitySlayer

President of Chindia
i don't think Muslims need to apologize for what some other Muslims did years ago. i know i would not. every person is responsible of his actions and noone would pay for what others did. i am sorry but i think this is illogical

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I never said they did...
 
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