Are you attributing words to me that I never typed?
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Islamaphobia - Years later, I accept its a real/true phenomena and an industry
- Thread starter firedragon
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VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Trust me, we're not ashamed of the Qur'an at all, we have proper hermeneutics while you cherrypick whatever suits your agenda. We live by the scripture, we study it thoroughly. Nothing you've said in this and other threads on the subject holds any water, it's just shallow nonsense. You people are so stuck on three or four ridiculous lazy 'criticisms' that are both easily refutable and irrelevant to Islam. People like you have no idea what Islam is, you have no idea about it's spirituality. You're trapped in the political world without any entry towards understanding Islam, yet many of us could easily help if you had the sincerity to learn about actual Islam. The kinds of views about the Qur'an that people like yourself propagate are so absurd, so far from reality, all for what? your agenda.
firedragon
Veteran Member
The phrase Mofsed e filardh is Persian. Thats it. Phrase doesn't have any other difference. But that's not the definition of the Qur'an. This is the problem with doing quick googling and coming to some kind of conclusions.
Also you have missed the whole point of the OP. You are committing the genetic fallacy again and again because its probably your manner of analysis and you can't see anything beyond that.
So thanks for engaging. Cheers.
So what does he say exactly on the topic of corruption in the land?
VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Lol this is so stupid. Have you never heard of converts before?
Subjective opinion.
Load of nonsense.
I didn’t say it was, technically the Quran does not seem to define it. If I said don’t murder for example don’t stab innocents I’m not defining murder, I’m just providing one example of murder.
To me it looks like the Quran is just giving one example of spreading corruption on earth and not saying “this is the only example”
You keep saying the Quran doesn’t provide other examples and since I can’t think of other Quranic examples I would say we agree on this point.
But could their be other examples not listed in the Quran? That seems open to interpretation.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ummm....... New Zealand? Iceland?
It's better if you just tell where you live.
You mention the Islamaphobia Industry...... What gets produced?
Look, you don't read a psychology mag to discover the meaning of a word, not in any language.
Phobia means extreme or irrational.
VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
تِلكَ الدّارُ الآخِرَةُ نَجعَلُها لِلَّذينَ لا يُريدونَ عُلُوًّا فِي الأَرضِ وَلا فَسادًا ۚ وَالعاقِبَةُ لِلمُتَّقينَ
This is the abode of the Hereafter which We shall grant to those who do not desire to domineer in the earth nor to cause corruption, and the outcome will be in favour of the Godwary.مَن جاءَ بِالحَسَنَةِ فَلَهُ خَيرٌ مِنها ۖ وَمَن جاءَ بِالسَّيِّئَةِ فَلا يُجزَى الَّذينَ عَمِلُوا السَّيِّئَاتِ إِلّا ما كانوا يَعمَلونَ
Whoever brings virtue shall receive [a reward] better than it, but whoever brings vice —those who commit misdeeds shall not be requited except for what they used to do.Here are two articles on this issue (on oppression, corruption etc):
54. Oppression and Injustice
Justice
VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Check these out:
Report: Islamophobia is a multimillion-dollar industry
https://www.amazon.com/Islamophobia-Industry-Right-Manufactures-Muslims/dp/0745332536
https://www.amazon.com/Suitable-Enemy-Racism-Migration-Islamophobia/dp/0745327923
https://www.amazon.com/Global-Islamophobia-Muslims-Moral-Connections/dp/1409431193
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fear-Muslims-International-Perspectives-Islamophobia-ebook/dp/B01G87VFHA
firedragon
Veteran Member
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do a bit of research.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Its a term used by psychologists so you have to look at what they say to understand what it defines. Yet if you are only hellbent on the superficial meaning of things maybe as you said a dictionary would suffice for your level of research.
Great going. Cheers.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ha ha!
You ask, 'Where do you think I live?'
I guess, and you tell me not to make assumptions!
What a waste of time!
But I knew you would not want to tell.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You cannot actually provide substance for your claim that Islamaphobia is an industry!
Another member has kindly suggested the titles of four books as the nucleus of such an industry.
That's a mere nothing by comparison with the positive books produced about Islam.
And you can't bring yourself to acknowledge that Islamaphobia can be extreme rather than irrational.
Is this all waffle?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Thank you for the list of four books.
How many positive and supportive books about Islam are produced?
I don't think that Islamaphobia is an industry though, honestly.
Where I live our Equality Act 2919 does all it can to reduce harassment, victimisation or crime directed at any person or group because of their religion.
There is Islamaphobia here but it is put down where it surfaces to cause discrimination against any Muslims. By the way, Islamaphobia affects Sikhs and Hindus here as well because the kinds of people who are most bigoted against Islam don't have the sense to be able to differentiate between these religions.
My wife's best friend works for a Hindu Post Office proprietor and he does sometimes get islamophobic insults..... But my wife's best friend is a huge powerful Brit lady who enjoys chucking idiotic bigots out of the place.....
firedragon
Veteran Member
I did. But you are confusing a lot of things and mixing them all up together.
Its alright mate. You can research via a dictionary. Great.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Ha ha!
You ask, 'Where do you think I live?'
I guess, and you tell me not to make assumptions!
What a waste of time!
But I knew you would not want to tell.
Yeah. Dont make assumptions.
Of course, this is not a Montessori.
firedragon
Veteran Member
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ha ha!
Nope!
Little Oxford English dictionary.
Waffle: lengthy but vague or trivial talk or writing.
A small batter cake
verb talk or write waffle.
May I direct your attention to the first reference. I think that fits perfectly well .
firedragon
Veteran Member
Right. So now you are doing a little bit of more research that would suit your need of waffling. Not just one dictionary but you checked in something that would help you with your agenda. Nice.
So you are basically here to insult some people, call them names or something and get some satisfaction you lack otherwise! Shallow surfing, quick googling, and denial of any book, any news, any research or study that doesn't suit your personal agenda and the need to turn stones into devils.
I have already seen in this thread that any kind of books or research shown to you you will dismiss like the plague with a genetic fallacy with your "we live here and we know" attitude which is anecdotal and just simple attitude, nothing else.
Thus, there is absolutely no point in discussing with such lowly dramatis personae.
Bye.