Just got back from New Zealand so a bit jet lagged,yes they did and what actual good did it do.
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Islamic Jihad
- Thread starter Nakosis
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Just got back from New Zealand so a bit jet lagged,yes they did and what actual good did it do.
I wonder if you would differentiate between a Muslim that lived in Europe to one that lives in the middle East?,would they be excluded from the ummah?,we are often reminded that islam is a nation but not allowed for Jewish people and labelled Zionist in a derogatory way which if you took the time to look up the meaning of "Zionist" makes absolutely no sense but does confirm islams hatred of the Jews.
sooda
Veteran Member
Islam is a nation????? Calypso Louie invented his own religion. Muslims don't hate Jews.. Jews lived all over the Arab world for more than 2000 years.
Shad
Veteran Member
Any good was short term as the Cold War ended and India ended up being the nation with far more values aligned with the West than Pakistan
I guess so,it certainly didn't help Pakistan in a positive way.
Yes they did even after they killed many like in Medina and took their women and children as slaves,that's obviously showing the love.
sooda
Veteran Member
Are you speaking of the Battle of the Trench?
Battle of the Trench - Wikipedia
Muhammed's troops were the defenders.
No I'm talking about the Jews that surrendered and executed,their women and children taken as slaves plus all possesions.
sooda
Veteran Member
They were judged according to the Torah..
Deuteronomy 20:10–14 says:
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.[33]
I'm not religious so do not care what it says in deutronomy,maybe I was expecting too much from the religion of peace.
That said,it was common practice to do that long before Christianity and islam but religion is a great conduit for sanctioned violence and land grabbing.
sooda
Veteran Member
You mean "Never again... unless you are Palestinian"?
Interestingly Hamas in their charter state:
The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.' (Article 11)
And:
The Call to Jihad: ------------------ 'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15) 'Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.' (Article 33)
Nothing much has changed really.
sooda
Veteran Member
The HAMAS charter has been updated.. Don't be deceitful.
Yes they did,had to really but some parts aren't really that different:
Article 23 in the updated version:
Hamas stresses that transgression against the Palestinian people, usurping their land and banishing them from their homeland cannot be called peace. Any settlements reached on this basis will not lead to peace. Resistance and jihad for the liberation of Palestine will remain a legitimate right, a duty and an honour for all the sons and daughters of our people and our Ummah.
Notanumber
A Free Man
This is a good explanation.
Surah9:29 is the verse under discussion in "The Jihad Triangle"
From wikipedia At-Tawba 29 - Wikipedia
'After mentioning the diverse array of interpretations, the influential scholar Al-Rāzī (d. 606/1210) quotes an early exegetical authority, Abū Rawq (d. 140/757), who said that this verse was not a unilateral condemnation of all Jews and Christians, but those "who do not heed the prescriptions contained in the Torah and the Gospel, respectively", while the famous Andalusian scholar al-Qurṭubī (d. 671/1273) "did not read into Qur’ān 9:29 a wholesale denunciation of the People of the Book as an undifferentiated collectivity."[1]
The modern Salafi reformist scholar, Muḥammad ‘Abduh (d. 1323/1905), "notes that most commentators are agreed that it was revealed on the occasion of the military campaign in Tabuk, and this verse specifically deals with the People of the Book", and also that "the only kind of legitimate war on which there is unanimity among Muslim scholars is the defensive war when proclaimed by the Imām in the event of an attack upon Muslim territory".[2] One of his disciples, the Grand Imam of al-Azhar from 1935 to 1945, Mustafa Al-Maraghi, explains that 9:29 means: "fight those mentioned when the conditions which necessitate fighting are present, namely, aggression against you or your country, oppression and persecution against you on account of your faith, or threatening your safety and security, as was committed against you by the Byzantines, which was what lead to Tabuk."[3]'
- Asma Afsaruddin, Striving in the Path of God: Jihad and Martyrdom in Islamic Thought, OUP USA (2013), pp. 278-279
- ^ Asma Afsaruddin, Striving in the Path of God: Jihad and Martyrdom in Islamic Thought, OUP USA (2013), pp. 239-240
- ^ Mustafa, al-Maraghi. Tafsir al-Maraghi. 10. p. 95.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Do you believe that Spain is Muslim territory?
Not these days
Notanumber
A Free Man
Islam does.
I think you need to learn to distinguish between Muslim groups, it is not really necessary imo to fight all Muslims, just the radical groups