Israel attacks gaza strip

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well the British created this mess ...

This 'mess' ends the minute the citizens reject terrorism and its goal of the destruction of Israel.

 

[sindbad5]

This 'mess' ends the minute the citizens reject terrorism and its goal of the destruction of Israel.

destruction of Israel is something Israelis and Zionists work very hard on it

for every action there is a reaction, and for blood there are a price to pay

if current Zionists generation will not catch the payback time, next generation will do

 

[kai]

destruction of Israel is something Israelis and Zionists work very hard on it

for every action there is a reaction, and for blood there are a price to pay

if current Zionists generation will not catch the payback time, next generation will do

unfortunately due to Hamas's infinite wisdom the payback is every generation for Palestinians. Its well known dream of some Arabs/Muslims to see the destruction of Israel but wake up and smell the coffee Sinbad its not going to happen! everyone needs a peace deal the sooner the better

 

[England my lionheart]

destruction of Israel is something Israelis and Zionists work very hard on it

for every action there is a reaction, and for blood there are a price to pay

if current Zionists generation will not catch the payback time, next generation will do

If we look back at Palestines efforts to a solution,the PLO,the Islamic Jihad movement in Palestine,Fatah's Al-Aqsa martyr Brigades,the Popular front,and of course Hamas,now tell me what good have any of these done for Palestine and after all this time it sould'nt take a Graduate to know blind hatred does not work.

 

[emiliano]

This 'mess' ends the minute the citizens reject terrorism and its goal of the destruction of Israel.

Why should they? It worked for the Zionist they waited for the right moment, they were once called terrorist and acted like one. They have no other means, a better solution would be an arbitrated negotiation, but that is up to the international community. What would be according to you good self the best argument to claim that land as their?

 

[emiliano]

may promises to many people because there was many people all governed by Ottoman Empire , all covered by the league of nations it wasnt British land or British colony it was Ottoman, i am not asking you again , History is History like you said but you have to read it . what can i say about Ausie old timers ha ha , no better not.

Then why they promised to the Arabs and later to the Zionist?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why should they?

< disgusting >

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"Before the ceasefire, Hamas had rockets that could reach as far as 20 kilometers. After the ceasefire, the range of their rockets grew to 40 kilometers, threatening the lives of a million Israelis." - Olmert

 

[kai]

Why should they? for a viable Palestinian State thats why.It worked for the Zionist they waited for the right moment, they were once called terrorist and acted like one. They have no other means, a better solution would be an arbitrated negotiation, but that is up to the international community. What would be according to you good self the best argument to claim that land as their?

In the fall of 1948, Israel had applied for membership in the United Nations but failed to win the necessary majority in the Security Council. In February 1949, Israel renewed its application for membership in the United Nations. On March 4, 1949, the Security Council recommended to the General Assembly that it be admitted. On May 11, Israel was admitted, to become the 59th member. Between January 1, 1949 and May 11. 1949, Israel was recognised by 32 States, in addition to the 20 that had accorded it recognition prior to December 31, 1948

its all in the history books emeliano,

 

[kai]

Then why they promised to the Arabs and later to the Zionist?

they both wanted a country they both got one, Israel and Jordan

 

[Caladan]

they both wanted a country they both got one, Israel and Jordan

The partition plan referred to two nations in what is now modern Israel and the Palestinian territories. a large portion of the British mandate was east of Jordan river, the region called transjordan, later to become the nation of Jordan.

 

[kai]

Heres on for you emeliano

What was the purpose of the British Mandate for Palestine?




The preamble to the League of Nations document that establishes the British Mandate for the territory of Palestine states the purposes as follows:

• <LI class=quote>Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
  
  <LI class=quote>Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty [the Balfour Declaration], and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
  
• Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;

Article 6 further states:

• The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

By this document, the British government was made responsible for the territory known as Palestine for the specific purpose of facilitating Jewish immigration, settlement, and the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people". While it is noted that the "civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" shall not be prejudiced by the purpose of the Mandate, the clear intent was to go forward with the Zionist program of Jewish immigration and settlement.
Unfortunately for all parties, early optimism that this could be done with justice for all was destroyed by Arab hostility to the basic concept, however implemented, and increasing anti-Jewish violence from the Arabs as the Mandate period proceeded. Ultimately the British reneged on their obligations and adopted a largely pro-Arab approach to policies in the Mandate territory.



Purpose of the British Mandate


just in case you thought the British and the zionists were having a love fest


The British Peel Commission proposed a Palestine divided between a Jewish and an Arab State, but in time changed their position and sought to limit Jewish immigration from Europe to a minimum. This was seen by Zionists and their sympathisers as betrayal of the terms of the mandate, especially in light of the increasing persecution in Europe and was met with a popular uprising and guerrilla war from Jewish terrorist groups, often viewed as one of several factors that led the British to hand the problem over to the United Nations.[

British Mandate of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




The Exodus 1947

 

[EiNsTeiN]

No but you didn't stop the British Goverment 70ish years ago so there's squat we can do these days. Do you want to kick a few million Jews of land they faught for and won from the Arabs in the 6 day war?
Do the arabs deserve the land because they have a silly religious connection to it? Come on you're Australian, im sure you been annoyed about the Aboriginal situation here and their land claims. This is similar.
If for some rediculous reason Israel left their land to Hamas and Palestine, i'd give them 6 months before they would fail and start calling for international aid. Then, there would be no Israel for them to blame everything on.

No comment!

darkendless[/COLOR]]A better lifestyle that the take for granted by killing Israeli civilians. I'd be willing to bet that if the Palestinians stopped trying to kill and remove Israel, slowly, over time, Israel would come to trust them. Right now what motive does Israel have to want to help Palestine? They're complaining about the conditions, but why the hell would Israel want to give them anything? They've bitten the hand that feeds them.

You want to blame Britian for this? You want British people to suffer because of an 80 year old agreement? Thats rediculous. Thats like making Germans today feel ashamed about the holocaust. This problem should have been tackled at the beginning, its too late now. So we need to move past this and focus on now.

Nothing guaruntees that Israel really wants to help us!
That's disgusting way of expressing!....We need nothing from them, nor from anyone else...We just need independance, respect, and our right to live our lives normally!!

emeliano

could you please read some history on the subject before you blame dear old blighty for everything.

Main articles: 1948 Palestine war and Declaration of Independence (Israel)
After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[51] The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, 1947 the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that these attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a policy of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. The following day five Arab countries – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq –invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]

Well, this same paragraph shows how the establishment of Israel was illegal!..
The land was named "The British Mandate of Palestine" which means a "terretories occupied by the british"..You can't just give away things that you illegaly own!..
Moreover, it was never in the job description of the UN to divid lands among people.
The UN partitioning plan was illegal...You can't ask the US to share its lands with Mexico!..

And if we are to follow the UN, then Israel has a record in breaking UN resolutions!

The aim is not to stop the rockets but to impede them, its all in the words, they know its impossible to stop them and its a promise they wont make again, this operation is to reinforce israels deterence factor.i knew that there would be a ground incursion and i dont think they are going to completely leave this time , i dont see how they can. the rockets will recommence once they leave.


Put it this way a lull in rocket attacks would give the impression of an Isaeli success even if there wasnt one on the ground, an ideal basis for a ceasefire. thats if anyone desired one that is.

584 deaths, including 200 children and 60 women...Pretty much impressive!..

Jayhawker Soule[/COLOR]]This 'mess' ends the minute the citizens reject terrorism and its goal of the destruction of Israel.

They were never even close to the destruction of Israel....Now, Israel is totally destroying Gaza!..

If we look back at Palestines efforts to a solution,the PLO,the Islamic Jihad movement in Palestine,Fatah's Al-Aqsa martyr Brigades,the Popular front,and of course Hamas,now tell me what good have any of these done for Palestine and after all this time it sould'nt take a Graduate to know blind hatred does not work.

Same applies to Israel..

emiliano[/COLOR]]Why should they? It worked for the Zionist they waited for the right moment, they were once called terrorist and acted like one. They have no other means, a better solution would be an arbitrated negotiation, but that is up to the international community. What would be according to you good self the best argument to claim that land as their?

I'd second that

Jayhawker Soule[/COLOR]]< disgusting >

Dude...So far, you didn't add any valuable information to the topic!
At least, you haven't responded to any of our posts directed to you!

Jayhawker Soule[/COLOR]]"Before the ceasefire, Hamas had rockets that could reach as far as 20 kilometers. After the ceasefire, the range of their rockets grew to 40 kilometers, threatening the lives of a million Israelis." - Olmert

Before the cease fire, Hamas rockets caused absolutly nothing...after the ceasefire, they also caused nothing, but they got their land destroyed and their people to get killed in a horrible war that breaks all the UN resolutions regarding "massive panishments"..

The partition plan referred to two nations in what is now modern Israel and the Palestinian territories. a large portion of the British mandate was east of Jordan river, the region called transjordan, later to become the nation of Jordan.

I'd recommend checking the map now of Israel/palestine, and see how the israelian territories expanded with time..

By this document, the British government was made responsible for the territory known as Palestine for the specific purpose of facilitating Jewish immigration, settlement, and the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people".

Totally illegal!

Unfortunately for all parties, early optimism that this could be done with justice for all was destroyed by Arab hostility to the basic concept

I was starting to think we were wrong, and that we should have accepted the entire thing just for the sake of humanity...But now, I'm totally supporting what we did earlier!!..

So, everyone else gets to divid our lands and distribute them among people!

 

[kai]

Einstein please read it properly the land was Turkish , Turkey lost the war and Britain was given the job of administering the area by the league of nations it was not British it was Turkish it had been for hundreds of years. before that it was Egyptian Mamluk.

 

[Caladan]

I'd recommend checking the map now of Israel/palestine, and see how the israelian territories expanded with time..

Since you decided to bring this up, Im sure I dont need to tell you that Israel expanded its territories as a result of the Arab-Israeli wars. in the six day war Israel conquered lands that in total land mass were more than 3 times bigger than what Israel was.
the Gaza strip was part of Egypt before the war and the west bank was part of Jordan. both these nations tactically abandoned their territorial claims of these territories which populate the Palestinians.
the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army in the 70s should give you an idea why they chose to leave these territories along with the Palestinian issue to the Israelis.

 

[England my lionheart]

Israel has food ,water,medicine,and are well armed and have a good infrastructure Palestine has none of these,the point i am making is Palestine have no leadership and never have had anyone,no person or organisation nothing but still trudge down the same track that leads nowhere,if i kept going down the same track that led me nowhere i would take a look at the map and find an alternative route.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Since you decided to bring this up, Im sure I dont need to tell you that Israel expanded its territories as a result of the Arab-Israeli wars. in the six day war Israel conquered lands that in total land mass were more than 3 times bigger than what Israel was.
the Gaza strip was part of Egypt before the war and the west bank was part of Jordan. both these nations tactically abandoned their territorial claims of these territories which populate the Palestinians.
the tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army in the 70s should give you an idea why they chose to leave these territories along with the Palestinian issue to the Israelis.

And that makes it a legal occupation or what?!

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Einstein please read it properly the land was Turkish , Turkey lost the war and Britain was given the job of administering the area by the league of nations it was not British it was Turkish it had been for hundreds of years. before that it was Egyptian Mamluk.

Ok kai, I will re- read again...But I have to leave now (Got final exams soon!)

 

[Caladan]

And that makes it a legal occupation or what?!

Wars carry a risk in them, you may lose lands, you may lose your prestige, these are all things the Arab leaders should have taken into consideration, and maybe they had, although its hard to know because of their dramatic propaganda of promises of annihilation of the Jewish state to the Arab masses in their lands. obviously the Sinai Peninsula occupied from Egypt and the Golan Heights conquered from Syria gave Israel a leverage that resulted in a peace treaty with Egypt, and is a dramatic card in the negotiations with Syria.
if you arent willing to take the risks and pains of war, maybe you ought to consider an alternative.. thats food for thought for us all.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Wars carry a risk in them, you may lose lands, you may lose your prestige, these are all things the Arab leaders should have taken into consideration, and maybe they had, although its hard to know because of their dramatic propaganda of promises of annihilation of the Jewish state to the Arab masses in their lands. obviously the Sinai Peninsula occupied from Egypt and the Golan Heights conquered from Syria gave Israel a leverage that resulted in a peace treaty with Egypt, and is a dramatic card in the negotiations with Syria.
if you arent willing to take the risks pains of war, maybe you ought to consider an alternative.. thats food for thought for us all.

mmm...So the country that doesnt settle for peace with israel is under the risk of losing its lands?...Thats really impressive!!