Israel attacks gaza strip

[challupa]

I support humanity.

 

[darkendless]

I support humanity.

For humanity to win one side has to die. Thats just the way it appears to be. No side will give in.

 

[challupa]

For humanity to win one side has to die. Thats just the way it appears to be. No side will give in.

You are likely right. I sure hope not though.

 

[kai]

Israel: Stop Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza

Israel should stop using white phosphorus in military operations in densely populated areas of Gaza, Human Rights Watch said today. On January 9 and 10, 2009, Human Rights Watch researchers in Israel observed multiple air-bursts of artillery-fired white phosphorus over what appeared to be the Gaza City/Jabaliya area.

Israel appeared to be using white phosphorus as an “obscurant” (a chemical used to hide military operations), a permissible use in principle under international humanitarian law (the laws of war). However, white phosphorus has a significant, incidental, incendiary effect that can severely burn people and set structures, fields, and other civilian objects in the vicinity on fire. The potential for harm to civilians is magnified by Gaza’s high population density, among the highest in the world.

“White phosphorous can burn down houses and cause horrific burns when it touches the skin,” said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. “Israel should not use it in Gaza’s densely populated areas.”

Human Rights Watch believes that the use of white phosphorus in densely populated areas of Gaza violates the requirement under international humanitarian law to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian injury and loss of life.
Israel: Stop Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza | Human Rights Watch

I hate to argue for the merits of such a thing but white phosphorus use is permissible only if it was to produce smoke.
However, if its "toxic or caustic properties" are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, it would be considered a chemical rather than incendiary weapon and therefore would be banned.

 

[darkendless]

I hate to argue for the merits of such a thing but white phosphorus use is permissible only if it was to produce smoke.
However, if its "toxic or caustic properties" are specifically intended to be used as a weapon, it would be considered a chemical rather than incendiary weapon and therefore would be banned.

The article even said for use in hiding ground operations so therefore its legal. They just want the Israelies to come out so they can throw some rocks at the IDF instead of hiding behind a smoke shield.

 

[England my lionheart]

You have such a low opinion of them and are full of such an intense hate for them that I doubt that you will grant me that a more partial party could convinced the Palestinians to go back to the two states idea of the past even after these 60 years of radicalization.

Emiliano,i have no time for hate,this conflict has enough hatred for everyone,hate blinds people and Hamas are a good example of that,i ask you this,if your country had gone down the road of everything from hijacking planes to suicide bombings for 60 years and it did'nt work would you try something else like peace.
One thing Tony Blair did of any worth is to get Northern Ireland on the road of peace,to do it he had to get Sinn Fein the political arm of the IRA and the Loyalists to work together for the good of Ireland,this conflict had been going forover 500 years and nobody thought it possible,and guess what,it worked and there is peace .

 

[EiNsTeiN]

According to some sources, the Israeli government informed the Egyptians that if they kept on refusing the idea of having international forces protecting Philadelphia route, Israel will have to "invade and control it" by itself..

IDF has been making air strikes along the Egyptian border, and witnesses claimed that IDF's helicopters flew over the Egyptian lands several times during the operation time..

Two Egyptian "centeral security" soldiers and two Egyptian children were injured during Israeli air strikes in Rafah..

 

[kai]

According to some sources, the Israeli government informed the Egyptians that if they kept on refusing the idea of having international forces protecting Philadelphia route, Israel will have to "invade and control it" by itself..

IDF has been making air strikes along the Egyptian border, and witnesses claimed that IDF's helicopters flew over the Egyptian lands several times during the operation time..

Two Egyptian "centeral security" soldiers and two Egyptian children were injured during Israeli air strikes in Rafah..

the crossing is controled by Hamas , as far asi know the Egytians do not recognise Hamas as the legitimate controling power in Gaza and want the crossing controled by Abbas's plalestinian Authority. The crossing is closed in an agreement between Israel and Egypt , are you saying that Israel wants international forces on the Egyptian side?

 

[England my lionheart]

According to some sources, the Israeli government informed the Egyptians that if they kept on refusing the idea of having international forces protecting Philadelphia route, Israel will have to "invade and control it" by itself..

IDF has been making air strikes along the Egyptian border, and witnesses claimed that IDF's helicopters flew over the Egyptian lands several times during the operation time..

Two Egyptian "centeral security" soldiers and two Egyptian children were injured during Israeli air strikes in Rafah..

This is where it can get very bad indeed,if it does'nt end in the next few days i think there will be an escalation and nobody surely wants that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

According to some sources, the Israeli government informed the Egyptians that if they kept on refusing the idea of having international forces protecting Philadelphia route, Israel will have to "invade and control it" by itself..

IDF has been making air strikes along the Egyptian border, and witnesses claimed that IDF's helicopters flew over the Egyptian lands several times during the operation time..

Two Egyptian "centeral security" soldiers and two Egyptian children were injured during Israeli air strikes in Rafah..

Source(s)?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

The source is Al Quds newspaper, copied from Maarif newspaper (an israeli newspaper)..Though I haven't heard of both before, so I can't take them as reliable sources..."But injuring two soldiers and two kids" is also found in Egyptian newspapers

the crossing is controled by Hamas , as far asi know the Egytians do not recognise Hamas as the legitimate controling power in Gaza and want the crossing controled by Abbas's plalestinian Authority. The crossing is closed in an agreement between Israel and Egypt , are you saying that Israel wants international forces on the Egyptian side?

Yeah...And Egypt refuses that option...

 

[emiliano]

Emiliano,i have no time for hate,this conflict has enough hatred for everyone,hate blinds people and Hamas are a good example of that,i ask you this,if your country had gone down the road of everything from hijacking planes to suicide bombings for 60 years and it did'nt work would you try something else like peace.
One thing Tony Blair did of any worth is to get Northern Ireland on the road of peace,to do it he had to get Sinn Fein the political arm of the IRA and the Loyalists to work together for the good of Ireland,this conflict had been going forover 500 years and nobody thought it possible,and guess what,it worked and there is peace .

That’s my point, Israel has opted for this solution and it has not work in 60 year, repeating a failed strategy is madness, they have to try something that they have not try before, to do anything resembling what Tony Blair did would involve that Israel stops looking down or their cousins the Arabs, what chances do you give to this ever happening? Added to their extreme racism is their inability to treat them as of equal worth and this is entrenched in their culture. Australia took Papua New Guinea and when they asked for their independence it was given to them with five years of financial assistance to help them establish, that is the decent thing to do, not to disposes and occupy other people's land, to impose their will by violence.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That’s my point, Israel has opted for this solution ...

And more on the Hamas solution ...

Hamas Attacks Ashkelon During 'Humanitarian Aid' Truce

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas terrorists rocketed an Ashkelon home before noon Monday, in the midst of a three-hour truce unilaterally declared by Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza. Rockets also hit Be'er Sheva and the Sderot area before Israel's truce ended at 1 p.m. (6 a.m. EST).

The two-story house was severely damaged, but five people in the house, including children, escaped injury because they managed to run into a fortified room within the one-minute warning period before the rocket exploded. The rocket hit the house seconds after the survivors entered the shelter inside the house.

The rocket landed near a high school, where students are learning in underground bomb shelters, and several people were treated for shock.

Three rockets hit the Sderot areas, one of them landing in the city and causing panic but no injuries or serious damage. A long-range Grad-type rocket hit an open area in the Be'er Sheva area and two others exploded near Ofakim, about seven miles east of Gaza. There have been no reports of injuries, and investigators are searching for the points of impact.

- source​

 

[emiliano]

And more on the Hamas solution ...

Hamas Attacks Ashkelon During 'Humanitarian Aid' Truce

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas terrorists rocketed an Ashkelon home before noon Monday, in the midst of a three-hour truce unilaterally declared by Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza. Rockets also hit Be'er Sheva and the Sderot area before Israel's truce ended at 1 p.m. (6 a.m. EST).

The two-story house was severely damaged, but five people in the house, including children, escaped injury because they managed to run into a fortified room within the one-minute warning period before the rocket exploded. The rocket hit the house seconds after the survivors entered the shelter inside the house.

The rocket landed near a high school, where students are learning in underground bomb shelters, and several people were treated for shock.

Three rockets hit the Sderot areas, one of them landing in the city and causing panic but no injuries or serious damage. A long-range Grad-type rocket hit an open area in the Be'er Sheva area and two others exploded near Ofakim, about seven miles east of Gaza. There have been no reports of injuries, and investigators are searching for the points of impact.

- source
​

You are not getting it, “in the midst of a three-hour truce unilaterally declared by Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza” get it? This is not what the international community want, they want Israel to stop their campaign, to stop the occupation, not a thee hours cease of fire, the key word here is “unilaterally declared by Israel” you can’t resolve a conflict by unilaterally deciding, this conflict should be decided in a kind of international tribunal, what follows the three hours cease of firing? Are these people under occupation? What are the duties of an occupying force?

 

[Poisonshady313]

You are not getting it, “in the midst of a three-hour truce unilaterally declared by Israel to allow aid to enter Gaza” get it? This is not what the international community want, they want Israel to stop their campaign, to stop the occupation, not a thee hours cease of fire, the key word here is “unilaterally declared by Israel” you can’t resolve a conflict by unilaterally deciding, this conflict should be decided in a kind of international tribunal, what follows the three hours cease of firing? Are these people under occupation? What are the duties of an occupying force?

Is this supposed to be about what the international community wants? I thought this was about giving aid to help Palestinian civilians?

You're not happy when Israel blocks aid from getting in, you're not happy when Israel allows aid to get in.... what will make you happy? If Israel relocates to Madagascar? Is that what will make you happy?

 

[Sahar]

Gaza victims' burns increase concern over phosphorus

Photographic evidence has emerged that proves that Israel has been using controversial white phosphorus shells during its offensive in Gaza, despite official denials by the Israel Defence Forces. There is also evidence that the rounds have injured Palestinian civilians, causing severe burns. The use of white phosphorus against civilians is prohibited under international law.

There were indications last night that Palestinian civilians have been injured by the bombs, which burn intensely. Hassan Khalass, a doctor at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, told The Times that he had been dealing with patients who he suspected had been burnt by white phosphorus. Muhammad Azayzeh, 28, an emergency medical technician in the city, said: “The burns are very unusual. They don't look like burns we have normally seen. They are third-level burns that we can't seem to control.”

Gaza victims' burns increase concern over phosphorus - Times Online

 

[England my lionheart]

That’s my point, Israel has opted for this solution and it has not work in 60 year, repeating a failed strategy is madness, they have to try something that they have not try before, to do anything resembling what Tony Blair did would involve that Israel stops looking down or their cousins the Arabs, what chances do you give to this ever happening? Added to their extreme racism is their inability to treat them as of equal worth and this is entrenched in their culture. Australia took Papua New Guinea and when they asked for their independence it was given to them with five years of financial assistance to help them establish, that is the decent thing to do, not to disposes and occupy other people's land, to impose their will by violence.

You still don't see it do you,please read the Hamas charter it explains it all,Palestine could have as much aid as it needs but they do not want aid,they want to eradicate Israel and not so far away there are others who want to do the same.
If the border were to open now for example within days there would be a bomb on a B Bus or simmilar,Israel are not perfect but they have tried in the past to go another route but have suffered the consequences of trusting an organisation such as Hamas.

 

[Luminous]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/105477...

Just another example of Hamas hiding their deadly weaponry amongst the very civilians they claim to be "protecting."


"The Israel Air Force on Monday bombed a mosque in southern Gaza City, on day 17 of its offensive against Hamas' infrastructure in the coastal territory.

Israeli ground forces who entered the premises following the attack found a mass stockpile of weapons, including Qassam and Katyusha rockets."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI1q3etFX2k...

IDF Paratroopers find map in Hamas HQ which clearly shows how they booby trap their own neighborhoods knowing very well that any setting off of the traps will result in mass civilian casualties. Human shields? Or victims of Israeli slaughter.. everyone knows that you will label this Israeli propaganda, but every day that the war goes on Hamas is exposed for who they truly are more and more.


http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flash/video/2664...
i don't know why that conservative idiot is so hateful against leftists; but the video show seems pretty accurate.

 

[England my lionheart]

Is this supposed to be about what the international community wants? I thought this was about giving aid to help Palestinian civilians?

You're not happy when Israel blocks aid from getting in, you're not happy when Israel allows aid to get in.... what will make you happy? If Israel relocates to Madagascar? Is that what will make you happy?

He's not a fan of Britain or Israel in case you had'nt noticed LOL

 

[Luminous]

Gaza victims' burns increase concern over phosphorus - Times Online

-- "[the phosphorus] is being used by the Israeli gunners to create a smoke screen on the ground."