Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes

[Shermana]

I already validated my claim that the destruction of the homes of Israelis in Israel without consultation, compensation or access to arbitration is a violation of international law. I've posted links to the wiki on the relevant laws, and a link to a Human Rights Watch report detailing why Israel's policy in the Negev is a violation of these laws.

Would you care to validate your assertion that the destruction of Israeli Bedouin villages has something to do with Hamas' charter?

You did on this specific issue? It wasn't just a generality on "Why Israel is wrong for taking Palestinian land" right? It was specifically about this? Link to the post please. You posted wikis? Oh, I guess that proves it. You must have quoted from them too to show exactly how. That showed the exact housing regulations at stake? A human rights watch report that had all the details on the permit issues? I must have missed it. Did you quote from those links too?

The Hamas AND Fatah charters represent Arab political interests, and the Bedouins are a wild card in this picture.

So once again, can you prove that this was not just a housing and permit and zoning issue please.

 

[Rakhel]

This is very much like the illegal outposts that the Israelis build in the West bank. Israel owns the land that the Bedouins keep building on. There is no human rights violations going on here. just a bunch of people throwing around a hypocritical sword.

 

[England my lionheart]

The reason being that this thread is about a different subject entirely. I've already pointed out that the misbehavior of others is a nonsensical justification for our own misbehavior, and that is all I have to say on the subject.

This subject ought to be about building permits being refused and the Bedouin not accepting that being the case IMO

It seems as though everyone who prefers a non-critical view of Israel's government is unable to discuss the subject of the OP. There's probably some kind of formula for calculating how fast a Zionist will change the subject to Hamas' charter when somebody brings up Israel's violations of international human rights laws. The more blatant and outrageous the violation, the faster we all have to switch focus to the Hamas charter.

Actually it wasn't me that brought it up ,the thing with the Bedouin though does seem to get blown out of proportion whereas Mein Kampf ,er sorry,the Hamas Charter is totally ignored for obvious reasons.

It's enough to give a girl whiplash.

Slow down then

 

[Alceste]

You did on this specific issue? It wasn't just a generality on "Why Israel is wrong for taking Palestinian land" right? It was specifically about this? Link to the post please. You posted wikis? Oh, I guess that proves it. You must have quoted from them too to show exactly how. That showed the exact housing regulations at stake? A human rights watch report that had all the details on the permit issues? I must have missed it. Did you quote from those links too?

The Hamas AND Fatah charters represent Arab political interests, and the Bedouins are a wild card in this picture.

So once again, can you prove that this was not just a housing and permit and zoning issue please.

I didn't quote them, I linked to them so that anybody who was following the topic (rather than just ranting unintelligibly about Hamas and the occupied territories) could refer to them and become informed. I see you elected not to do so.

 

[Alceste]

This subject ought to be about building permits being refused and the Bedouin not accepting that being the case IMO

Building permits for buildings and villages that existed before Israel existed, and only need to be rebuilt because the government destroyed them? Come on. Is that how it works where you live? The government can bulldoze your already existing home because you didn't apply for a permit to build it?

I've lived in your country, so think before you speak.

 

[Rakhel]

This from Haaretz.com

"The squatters against whom the suit was brought, of the Abu Madigham and the Abu Jaber families, already have houses built on land the state gave them in the area of Rahat," the court was told by the ILA, representing the state. The ILA said the defendants keep returning to the disputed land, despite court orders prohibiting them from doing so.
The agency's representative told the court the fact that the Bedouin have homes in Rahat, some distance from Al-Arakib, shows they have no lack of housing, and that they are using public relations activities to accuse the state of repression, while they are the ones in breach of the law.
Israel sues 34 Bedouin for costs of repeated demolitions of their homes - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

They already have homes so this being a "human rights" violation is a big bunch of BS.

 

[England my lionheart]

Although this is quite ridiculous it does show that our building regulations are quite strict
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic...es-Mays-Lego-house-is-demolished.html?image=5

Britain and other countries all forcefully evict and demolish Houses,is the case of the Bedouins that much different than that of the Pikeys who are going to be evicted later this week here,i'm not saying its great and i guess Israel has to address some of its HRs but really it has been blown out of proportion.

 

[Alceste]

This from Haaretz.com




They already have homes so this being a "human rights" violation is a big bunch of BS.

The slums the Israeli government is attempting to forcibly relocate the Bedouin families to do not provide enough land to continue with their traditional way of life. That's why they won't move there.

It is a human rights issue because one ethnicity is specifically being targetted and replaced by another, and because the Geneva Conventions and a UN declaration (to which Israel is a signatory) prohibit the forcible relocation of people from their homes without consultation, compensation or recourse to arbitration. They also require signatories to make reasonable efforts to ensure communities are connected to basic services like sewers, electricity and water.

International law supersedes national statutes. IOW, if the policy is illegal under international law (which it is), the enforcement of it is also illegal, and the court orders are illegal.

 

[Rakhel]

Why don't you admit it. Israel will always be wrong in their treatment of the Arabs, but always right in their treatment of the Jews.

 

[Alceste]

Although this is quite ridiculous it does show that our building regulations are quite strict
James May's Lego house is demolished - Telegraph

Britain and other countries all forcefully evict and demolish Houses,is the case of the Bedouins that much different than that of the Pikeys who are going to be evicted later this week here,i'm not saying its great and i guess Israel has to address some of its HRs but really it has been blown out of proportion.

Which ethnicity is being targetted by England's campaign to knock down celebrity lego houses?

BTW, it doesn't look like the state had anything to do with this decision - the building is being taken apart because nobody wants it. Is that incorrect? James May isn't exactly being put out on the street here, is he.

 

[Alceste]

Why don't you admit it. Israel will always be wrong in their treatment of the Arabs, but always right in their treatment of the Jews.

Israel will only be wrong in its treatment of Arabs until they choose not to be. That day is not coming any time soon, apparently.

 

[Rakhel]

Which ethnicity is being targetted by England's campaign to knock down celebrity lego houses?

BTW, it doesn't look like the state had anything to do with this decision - the building is being taken apart because nobody wants it. Is that incorrect? James May isn't exactly being put out on the street here, is he.

Neither are the Bedouins. They have had housing in another area for more than 10 years. They were leased the land, the land holder decided not to renew the lease. End of story. As for payments? If they had owned the land prior to the legal Land Acquisition, they had three years to bring about an issue. Not the government's fault they waited so long.

 

[Alceste]

Neither are the Bedouins. They have had housing in another area for more than 10 years. They were leased the land, the land holder decided not to renew the lease. End of story. As for payments? If they had owned the land prior to the legal Land Acquisition, they had three years to bring about an issue. Not the government's fault they waited so long.

Do you have a source?

 

[England my lionheart]

Which ethnicity is being targetted by England's campaign to knock down celebrity lego houses?

BTW, it doesn't look like the state had anything to do with this decision - the building is being taken apart because nobody wants it. Is that incorrect? James May isn't exactly being put out on the street here, is he.

Does their ethicity mean that if it were Jews being evicted it wouldn't be a HR issue

 

[Shermana]

I didn't quote them, I linked to them so that anybody who was following the topic (rather than just ranting unintelligibly about Hamas and the occupied territories) could refer to them and become informed. I see you elected not to do so.

Obviously far too much work for you to actually post the direct facts from the link to support your claims, I understand, everyone has things to do, but you really should consider actually supporting your claims instead of blind linking.

 

[Rakhel]

For someone who claims to read all the issues regarding a particular case, you sure missed this.

 

[sadiq]

Israel will only be wrong in its treatment of Arabs until they choose not to be. That day is not coming any time soon, apparently.

Yeah man the fact they get special budgets and have easier entry exams to the University and are not obligated to serve in the army only by choice.

Their amazing treatment of our ancestors outshines this am i correct?

 

[elmarna]

IN A NUT SHELL - IF EVERYONE ON EARTH INSISTED ON -PEACE & nothing other than that;
THEN THERE WOULD BE PEACE ON EARTH !

 

[Alceste]

Does their ethicity mean that if it were Jews being evicted it wouldn't be a HR issue

If anybody, anywhere is violating the laws I linked to up thread, it is a human rights issue.

Is there some reason you can't just talk about the subject at hand, which is Israel's treatment of the Bedouin in the Negev? It's hard for me to view the Jews as the victims of human rights abuses in this situation, and all this effort you guys are putting into re-framing the issue that way is getting tiresome.

 

[Alceste]

Obviously far too much work for you to actually post the direct facts from the link to support your claims, I understand, everyone has things to do, but you really should consider actually supporting your claims instead of blind linking.

I did support my claims, Shermana. Everybody here knows I did. It's not my fault you are too lazy to look at links, but you're making a fool of yourself.