Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes

[Tamar]

While I have already indicated that I feel that Israel has problems with civil rights enforcement that it needs to address (for all its citizens, including Israeli Arabs, including Bedouins), it is a massive double-standard to say that Israel can either be a just and fair democracy or the Jewish homeland, but not both.

I admit that, even if Israel were to address and resolve the civil rights problems it currently is responsible for, there would still be certain inherent biases to keep the country's Jewish character intact, but such things are negligible, and many societies have certain rules designed to preserve this or that cultural heritage or cultural character.

I don't see international complaints about Saudi Arabia keeping itself basically Muslim-only (about other problems there, sure, but not that). And I say, fine: let it be Muslim-only, if they want. It's their country, Muslims are the majority, the central shrines of Islam are there. They get to make the rules.

Most European countries have a national religion, a national language, etc. Citizens with other religions, who primarily speak other languages deal with it. Many countries in Europe also have strict definitions about what constitutes proper use of certain names, or government programs to promote the protection of certain kinds of traditional music, cookery, etc. People who want to do other things, or use protected names in other ways are out of luck-- that's just part of the deal.

If one is non-Japanese living in Japan, I am given to understand it can be a little difficult. Same with non-Koreans living in Korea.

Yet somehow, it's only a horrible idea to preserve the national character and promote a certain national identity when the Jews do it. Strange how that works.

It seems to me that Israel needs to improve and resolve its civil rights issues so that non-Jews who are citizens of the Jewish State are not unduly discriminated against, yes. But, ultimately, it's the Jewish State. And if, once it is no longer a problem for non-Jewish citizens to get fair compensation from the government in cases of eminent domain, or to get prompt and fair infrastructural services, or to have equal opportunities in employment in practice as well as theory, it remains a problem for non-Jewish citizens that they live in a Jewish State, which must sometimes take actions to preserve its Jewish nature, and which may mean that there are certain things that will inevitably be inclined to Jews and not non-Jews...then they will always free to go and live elsewhere.

The entire rest of the world is composed of states that are not Jewish. Nearly one third of the world's states are Muslim or Muslim-majority. The whole rest of the Middle East is Arab (except for Iran). The only Jewish State in existence is this one tiny dot of land, barely the size of the State of Delaware. For the life of me, I do not understand why it is thought fair or just that Jews should give up their one state because of the unwillingness of some of the Arab population to either deal with living in a Jewish State or just move elsewhere (though, again, I am not saying that Israel shouldn't deal with solving civil rights problems for all its citizens).

Well said!! :clap:clap

 

[England my lionheart]

Well said!! :clap:clap

Ditto

 

[Alceste]

While I have already indicated that I feel that Israel has problems with civil rights enforcement that it needs to address (for all its citizens, including Israeli Arabs, including Bedouins), it is a massive double-standard to say that Israel can either be a just and fair democracy or the Jewish homeland, but not both.

I admit that, even if Israel were to address and resolve the civil rights problems it currently is responsible for, there would still be certain inherent biases to keep the country's Jewish character intact, but such things are negligible, and many societies have certain rules designed to preserve this or that cultural heritage or cultural character.

I don't see international complaints about Saudi Arabia keeping itself basically Muslim-only (about other problems there, sure, but not that). And I say, fine: let it be Muslim-only, if they want. It's their country, Muslims are the majority, the central shrines of Islam are there. They get to make the rules.

Most European countries have a national religion, a national language, etc. Citizens with other religions, who primarily speak other languages deal with it. Many countries in Europe also have strict definitions about what constitutes proper use of certain names, or government programs to promote the protection of certain kinds of traditional music, cookery, etc. People who want to do other things, or use protected names in other ways are out of luck-- that's just part of the deal.

If one is non-Japanese living in Japan, I am given to understand it can be a little difficult. Same with non-Koreans living in Korea.

Yet somehow, it's only a horrible idea to preserve the national character and promote a certain national identity when the Jews do it. Strange how that works.

It seems to me that Israel needs to improve and resolve its civil rights issues so that non-Jews who are citizens of the Jewish State are not unduly discriminated against, yes. But, ultimately, it's the Jewish State. And if, once it is no longer a problem for non-Jewish citizens to get fair compensation from the government in cases of eminent domain, or to get prompt and fair infrastructural services, or to have equal opportunities in employment in practice as well as theory, it remains a problem for non-Jewish citizens that they live in a Jewish State, which must sometimes take actions to preserve its Jewish nature, and which may mean that there are certain things that will inevitably be inclined to Jews and not non-Jews...then they will always free to go and live elsewhere.

The entire rest of the world is composed of states that are not Jewish. Nearly one third of the world's states are Muslim or Muslim-majority. The whole rest of the Middle East is Arab (except for Iran). The only Jewish State in existence is this one tiny dot of land, barely the size of the State of Delaware. For the life of me, I do not understand why it is thought fair or just that Jews should give up their one state because of the unwillingness of some of the Arab population to either deal with living in a Jewish State or just move elsewhere (though, again, I am not saying that Israel shouldn't deal with solving civil rights problems for all its citizens).

Levite, I think you are misunderstanding me. Israel's demographic problem stems from the fact they are trying to preserve a Jewish majority and Jewish "character" in a part of the world where Arabs have way, way more kids. I don't think it's awful for them to want to try to maintain a distinct national character and religion just because they're Jewish, but because the inevitable future of Israel if the ruling class does not change course is an apartheid state ruled by a Jewish minority, unless they start having more babies.

 

[Bismillah]

Yes Levite, you are completely right. In order to preserve the "Jewishness" of Israel Israel's own citizens, or should I say specifically Arabs, must suffer. They must give up their ancestral land. They must be rounded up into ghettos. They must watch as thousands of acres of their own land is consumed by one Jew and his private farm payed for by the Bedouin. They cannot be given any compensation, that money goes towards the illegal colonists in the West Bank and Gaza. This is of course necessary because this is what it means to keep Israel Jewish the illegitimate cleansing and robbing of its second class citizens.

There is something sinister of trying to link preserving the "Jewishness of Israel" with the cleansing of the Negev and the replacement by Jewish farmers. It is astounding that land that supported thousands of Arabs must now support hundreds of Jews because of course Jews such as yourself have made this a priority.

 

[Levite]

Yes Levite, you are completely right. In order to preserve the "Jewishness" of Israel Israel's own citizens, or should I say specifically Arabs, must suffer. They must give up their ancestral land. They must be rounded up into ghettos. They must watch as thousands of acres of their own land is consumed by one Jew and his private farm payed for by the Bedouin. They cannot be given any compensation, that money goes towards the illegal colonists in the West Bank and Gaza. This is of course necessary because this is what it means to keep Israel Jewish the illegitimate cleansing and robbing of its second class citizens.

There is something sinister of trying to link preserving the "Jewishness of Israel" with the cleansing of the Negev and the replacement by Jewish farmers. It is astounding that land that supported thousands of Arabs must now support hundreds of Jews because of course Jews such as yourself have made this a priority.

First of all, I already acknowledged a number of times that the Bedouins had been inadequately compensated and that the lack of compensation and support for their transition and resettlement was unjust on the part of Israel's government.

As for keeping Arabs "second class" citizens, I have already acknowledged that the civil rights of Israeli Arabs need to be respected and supported, and that all too often they are not so, and that this needs to change. Resolving these issues should clear up 90 percent plus of any practical differences between the rights and enfranchisement of Israeli Arabs in regard to Israeli Jews.

But as for the remaining issues, and preserving the Jewish character of the state, I find your characterization of it as sinister more than a little ridiculous. As Sadiq pointed out earlier in the thread, the Arab states of the Middle East drove out hundreds of thousands of Jews-- all citizens of their respective countries-- in the wake of Israel's independence. 98% of the Jewish communities of Iraq got driven out of the country, and had to flee to Israel. These were communities that had been there for over 2000 years. Some of them since the original Babylonian Exile of 587 BCE. Jews were almost entirely driven out of Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and even parts of Oman and Libya-- to say nothing of the few small remaining pockets of Jewish people being driven entirely out of Saudi Arabia.

Nobody ever seems to call that ethnic cleansing, or talk about the reparations and compensation that all those Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) Jews never got at all. The rest of the world shrugged it off. The Arab world still seems to feel it was perfectly within their rights to drive Jews out of those countries with little more than what they could carry.

So let's not act as if shifting population hasn't always been part of the way the game is played in the Middle East.

And for the most part: fine. Mizrahi Jews have done a great job getting over what happened to them. And Arab countries seem to be blissfully unconcerned to be Judenrein, and supremely disinterested in confronting their own ethnic cleansings-- not that anyone appears to be in any danger of actually asking that they do so. Presumably, any Israeli Arabs displaced or otherwise inconvenienced by Israel's efforts to retain Jewish character will similarly get over it, and likely will be far better compensated for their losses than Mizrahi Jews ever were.

And chances are, once Israel makes a few efforts at improving the civil rights of Israeli Arabs, most of the rest of the world will not care about any uses of eminent domain. Unless they are unduly inflamed by some sort of anti-Israel propaganda.

 

[Alceste]

First of all, I already acknowledged a number of times that the Bedouins had been inadequately compensated and that the lack of compensation and support for their transition and resettlement was unjust on the part of Israel's government.

As for keeping Arabs "second class" citizens, I have already acknowledged that the civil rights of Israeli Arabs need to be respected and supported, and that all too often they are not so, and that this needs to change. Resolving these issues should clear up 90 percent plus of any practical differences between the rights and enfranchisement of Israeli Arabs in regard to Israeli Jews.

But as for the remaining issues, and preserving the Jewish character of the state, I find your characterization of it as sinister more than a little ridiculous. As Sadiq pointed out earlier in the thread, the Arab states of the Middle East drove out hundreds of thousands of Jews-- all citizens of their respective countries-- in the wake of Israel's independence. 98% of the Jewish communities of Iraq got driven out of the country, and had to flee to Israel. These were communities that had been there for over 2000 years. Some of them since the original Babylonian Exile of 587 BCE. Jews were almost entirely driven out of Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and even parts of Oman and Libya-- to say nothing of the few small remaining pockets of Jewish people being driven entirely out of Saudi Arabia.

Nobody ever seems to call that ethnic cleansing, or talk about the reparations and compensation that all those Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) Jews never got at all. The rest of the world shrugged it off. The Arab world still seems to feel it was perfectly within their rights to drive Jews out of those countries with little more than what they could carry.

So let's not act as if shifting population hasn't always been part of the way the game is played in the Middle East.

And for the most part: fine. Mizrahi Jews have done a great job getting over what happened to them. And Arab countries seem to be blissfully unconcerned to be Judenrein, and supremely disinterested in confronting their own ethnic cleansings-- not that anyone appears to be in any danger of actually asking that they do so. Presumably, any Israeli Arabs displaced or otherwise inconvenienced by Israel's efforts to retain Jewish character will similarly get over it, and likely will be far better compensated for their losses than Mizrahi Jews ever were.

And chances are, once Israel makes a few efforts at improving the civil rights of Israeli Arabs, most of the rest of the world will not care about any uses of eminent domain. Unless they are unduly inflamed by some sort of anti-Israel propaganda.

I don't think the Arab world is a very good measuring stick for ethical public policy in a democracy. I think that Israel is going to need a better argument than "we're only doing what the tyrants, generals, dictators and demagogues throughout the Arab world are doing" if they want to be thought of as a democratic country.

Western democracies generally use one another as role models for workable, ethical public policy, not our non-democratic neighbours.

 

[Tamar]

I don't think the Arab world is a very good measuring stick for ethical public policy in a democracy. I think that Israel is going to need a better argument than "we're only doing what the tyrants, generals, dictators and demagogues throughout the Arab world are doing" if they want to be thought of as a democratic country.

Western democracies generally use one another as role models for workable, ethical public policy, not our non-democratic neighbours.

It is fair to bring to this discussion the 1000s of Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab lands and they had no place to go but back to their ancestral land.

When the Arab world speaks of ethnic cleansing they ought to at least acknowledge they have a history to come to terms with.

The Palestinians have been treated horribly by the surrounding Arab rulers. Most of the Palestinians did not come from israel but Jordan where the majority of Palestinians still live.

The Palestinians would not be in refugee camps if the surrounding Arab world had not given them the idea that they would come fight a war and drive the Jews to the sea.

That didn't happen, in fact every war has been lost and still the Palestinians sit in refugee camps because the surrounding Arab world keeps them there.

The humane thing I believe would have been for the Arab rulers who are in large part responsible for those in refugee camps to at some point in the last 60 years to have taken them in and offered them citizenship and a place to build new lives.

But instead the Arabs themselves have added to the absolute dismal living situations the Palestinians are in.

The other side of this is that there are other minorities in Israel who never left, did not fight and gained citizenship and live in peace.

All Levite has said paints this situation with truth.

 

[Bismillah]

First of all, I already acknowledged a number of times that the Bedouins had been inadequately compensated and that the lack of compensation and support for their transition and resettlement was unjust on the part of Israel's government.

Now now, don't be bashful. The Israelis went ahead and charged the Bedouins once they cleansed them from the Negev. To hell with compensation.

But as for the remaining issues, and preserving the Jewish character of the state, I find your characterization of it as sinister more than a little ridiculous.

Yes it's ridiculous to point out that the alibi of preserving a Jewish state is one of the motivations for the ethnic cleansing of the Bedouins. Quotes such as these

From the perspective of the Bedouin population, the proposal is part of a series of plans aimed at establishing dozens of Jewish communities in the Naqab, for the purpose of, among other aims, limiting Bedouin control of their ancestors' land. For example, in July 2003, a government-approved plan to create 30 new Jewish settlements within the Green Line, 14 of which were to be built in the Naqab. This plan included the rhetoric of "creating a buffer between the Bedouin communities," "preventing a Bedouin takeover," and ensuring the security of the (Jewish) residents of the Naqab.[93]

Off the Map | Human Rights Watch

if we allow for a region without a Jewish majority" in the Negev, that would pose "a palpable threat" to Israel.

are completely irrelevent.

As Sadiq pointed out earlier in the thread, the Arab states of the Middle East drove out hundreds of thousands of Jews-- all citizens of their respective countries-- in the wake of Israel's independence. 98% of the Jewish communities of Iraq got driven out of the country, and had to flee to Israel. These were communities that had been there for over 2000 years. Some of them since the original Babylonian Exile of 587 BCE. Jews were almost entirely driven out of Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and even parts of Oman and Libya-- to say nothing of the few small remaining pockets of Jewish people being driven entirely out of Saudi Arabia.

Nobody ever seems to call that ethnic cleansing, or talk about the reparations and compensation that all those Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) Jews never got at all. The rest of the world shrugged it off. The Arab world still seems to feel it was perfectly within their rights to drive Jews out of those countries with little more than what they could carry.

So let me cut through the crap and point out, once again, that you are looking at the problem relatively instead of objectively. Forget the fact that these Jews established themselves on Palestinian land and housing, ironically inflicting on the Palestinians what they themselves went through, and realize that once you start pointing to the actions of othres to justify your own injustices you have lost any and all sense of credibility and dignity.

So let's just look at your supposed acknowledgements in mind once you later post

So let's not act as if shifting population hasn't always been part of the way the game is played in the Middle East.

Your manipulation and justification for the ethnic cleansing of Israel's second class citizens is truly appalling. "It's always been this way and always will be" and then use the wrongly applied euphemism of "eminent domain" when this is certainly not the case.

For one thing eminent domain is not used to eject private land of its citizens to replace it with private land for other citizens, who happen to be Jewish. For one thing eminent domain does not charge its citizens the cost of destroying and seizing their ancestral homeland and then subjugate them to the ghetto. For one thing eminent domain doesn't target a specific ethnicity nor focus its efforts in ejecting them all. Anyone repeatedly calling this "eminent domain" is either a blind idiot or a hypocrite convenient ignoring the facts to better present this injustice.

It's clear Israel isn't concerned with stopping their cleansing of the Bedouins and its just as clear that you'll sit hear and bleat that they will come to some type of revelation and stop and everything will be hunkydory. I don't live in some type of nationally and religiously motivated bubble to ignore the political realities of Israels.

 

[kai]

The way Israel is treating these Bedouin is clearly wrong, and i for one don't quite understand the reasoning behind it, seeing as we are dealing with an Arab Israeli population that seems to be allied to the Israeli state. As for its neighbours behavior towards jews and Palestinians -- well we are restricted to Israel and the Negev Bedouin in this particular thread.

I can only hope that pressure from within will make the government see sense on this issue.( because its not doing itself any favours here)

-------------------

Recommendation
It is necessary to build a system of relations of trust with the indigenous
Bedouin-Arab population in the Negev. The government plan must first and
foremost recognize the claims of ownership of the Bedouin-Arabs’ traditional
lands in the Negev-Naqab (about 5% of the land in the Negev!) and grant
recognition to the unrecognized villages. This would neutralize the conflict
between the state and the Bedouins.


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc/docs/ngos/Negev_Coexistence_Forum_Civil_Equality.pdf

 

[Alceste]

It is fair to bring to this discussion the 1000s of Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab lands and they had no place to go but back to their ancestral land.

When the Arab world speaks of ethnic cleansing they ought to at least acknowledge they have a history to come to terms with.

The Palestinians have been treated horribly by the surrounding Arab rulers. Most of the Palestinians did not come from israel but Jordan where the majority of Palestinians still live.

The Palestinians would not be in refugee camps if the surrounding Arab world had not given them the idea that they would come fight a war and drive the Jews to the sea.

That didn't happen, in fact every war has been lost and still the Palestinians sit in refugee camps because the surrounding Arab world keeps them there.

The humane thing I believe would have been for the Arab rulers who are in large part responsible for those in refugee camps to at some point in the last 60 years to have taken them in and offered them citizenship and a place to build new lives.

But instead the Arabs themselves have added to the absolute dismal living situations the Palestinians are in.

The other side of this is that there are other minorities in Israel who never left, did not fight and gained citizenship and live in peace.

All Levite has said paints this situation with truth.

The Bedouins we are talking about ARE Israeli citizens. They never left. Would you say they are "living in peace"?

I still say "the Arabs are as bad as we are" is not a good defense against criticism of Israel. Respect for basic human rights is an apolitical value. Either you are for them, or you're not. If you're only willing to respect human rights to the exact same level as, say, Saudi Arabia or Egypt, you might as well just admit you do not value them at all.

 

[Alceste]

The way Israel is treating these Bedouin is clearly wrong, and i for one don't quite understand the reasoning behind it, seeing as we are dealing with an Arab Israeli population that seems to be allied to the Israeli state. As for its neighbours behavior towards jews and Palestinians -- well we are restricted to Israel and the Negev Bedouin in this particular thread.

I can only hope that pressure from within will make the government see sense on this issue.( because its not doing itself any favours here)

-------------------

Recommendation
It is necessary to build a system of relations of trust with the indigenous
Bedouin-Arab population in the Negev. The government plan must first and
foremost recognize the claims of ownership of the Bedouin-Arabs’ traditional
lands in the Negev-Naqab (about 5% of the land in the Negev!) and grant
recognition to the unrecognized villages. This would neutralize the conflict
between the state and the Bedouins.


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc/docs/ngos/Negev_Coexistence_Forum_Civil_Equality.pdf

I would have thought racism is a pathetically easy motive to understand. I only wish it were complicated, but it's just "Arab Israelis out! Jewish Israelis in!" at the root. It's pretty sickening stuff, unless you're blind to it.

 

[Levite]

So let me cut through the crap and point out, once again, that you are looking at the problem relatively instead of objectively. Forget the fact that these Jews established themselves on Palestinian land and housing, ironically inflicting on the Palestinians what they themselves went through, and realize that once you start pointing to the actions of othres to justify your own injustices you have lost any and all sense of credibility and dignity.

An accusation of "relativizing" in a case like this is just an excuse not to look at events in context.

And I find more than a little bit suspect that when it comes to Jews and Israel, we should look at every action and problem in a contextual vacuum, holding up Israel and the Jews to the highest theoretical standard of social ideals. But I haven't seen any threads around here with tons of Arabs and Muslims criticizing the many and varied human rights abuses in the many Arab countries, and the even more numerous Muslim countries, and holding those nations and the Muslims who rule them up to the highest theoretical standard of social ideals, while demanding that such judgments be taken entirely out of context.

I said at the start that this thread was making a mountain out of a molehill, and I have heard nothing to convince me otherwise. There is a problem. It is being hugely blown out of proportion. The reason why appears to be anti-Zionism. And, as is usual with anti-Zionists, the rhetoric is hypocritical.

Far as I can tell, it's business as usual.

 

[Flankerl]

I think its fascinating that some people try to make it look that someone who is against the injustice of certain minorities is in favor of them even though the person continued to write something contrary.

 

[Shermana]

I would have thought racism is a pathetically easy motive to understand. I only wish it were complicated, but it's just "Arab Israelis out! Jewish Israelis in!" at the root. It's pretty sickening stuff, unless you're blind to it.

Have you read the Palestinian national charters? Heard of the Ba'ath party?

If you have no problem with the Palestinian national charters wanting to eliminate the Jews from Israel as their goal, feel free to state why.

 

[Levite]

Have you read the Palestinian national charters? Heard of the Ba'ath party?

If you have no problem with the Palestinian national charters wanting to eliminate the Jews from Israel as their goal, feel free to state why.

Also kind of a fair point, yes.

 

[England my lionheart]

Have you read the Palestinian national charters? Heard of the Ba'ath party?

If you have no problem with the Palestinian national charters wanting to eliminate the Jews from Israel as their goal, feel free to state why.

You could print the charter in three foot high letters it would make little difference,the reason is so obvious

 

[Alceste]

Have you read the Palestinian national charters? Heard of the Ba'ath party?

If you have no problem with the Palestinian national charters wanting to eliminate the Jews from Israel as their goal, feel free to state why.

We are talking about human rights violations againt Israeli citizens inside Israel. Is there some reason you are unable to stay on topic? I'm not going to chase your red herring.

 

[Alceste]

You could print the charter in three foot high letters it would make little difference,the reason is so obvious

The reason being that this thread is about a different subject entirely. I've already pointed out that the misbehavior of others is a nonsensical justification for our own misbehavior, and that is all I have to say on the subject.

It seems as though everyone who prefers a non-critical view of Israel's government is unable to discuss the subject of the OP. There's probably some kind of formula for calculating how fast a Zionist will change the subject to Hamas' charter when somebody brings up Israel's violations of international human rights laws. The more blatant and outrageous the violation, the faster we all have to switch focus to the Hamas charter.

It's enough to give a girl whiplash.

 

[Shermana]

We are talking about human rights violations againt Israeli citizens inside Israel. Is there some reason you are unable to stay on topic? I'm not going to chase your red herring.

When you bring up other nations, it's not a red herring? Are you aware that YOU brought up other nations to compare to?

When I bring up the Palestinian national charter, it's a red herring. I can imagine why you might consider that not relative to the topic, it makes your case look bad. Usually the Jew haters try to sweep over the National charter when it comes up like this. I would bet they AGREE with those charters. They aren't complaining or advocating that they be changed. Because there's no reason at all for the Israelis to treat the Arabs and Palestinians as they do, they are all innocent victims who only want to play and sing and do syncronized swimming. They don't have it in their constitution to forcefully remove all the Jews at all. Thus, everything Israel does no matter what is a human rights violation, even if they tell them no we don't want to syncronize swimming. This is a total red herring that has nothing to do with the subject of why Israel acts like it does.

Those have nothing to do with the topic. There is nothing at all related to why Israelis treat Arabs as they do with the issue of the Palestinian charter and their national enemies.

Where was it decided anyway that this was a human rights issue as compared to a regulation and permit issue. You call this "Misbehavior" what Israel is doing, explain why it's misbehavior exactly. Shall anyone live whereever they want without regard to permits and laws and if the "man" says no, then its a human rights issue?

Perhaps your obsession with red herrings is that they get in the way of what you get to call a human rights issue...? You call these "Blatant and outrageous violations", please validate your claim that they are true "violations" or honorably admit your focus and hatred of Jews here.

 

[Alceste]

When you bring up other nations, it's not a red herring? Are you aware that YOU brought up other nations to compare to?

When I bring up the Palestinian national charter, it's a red herring. I can imagine why you might consider that not relative to the topic, it makes your case look bad. Usually the Jew haters try to sweep over the National charter when it comes up like this. I would bet they AGREE with those charters. They aren't complaining or advocating that they be changed. Because there's no reason at all for the Israelis to treat the Arabs and Palestinians as they do, they are all innocent victims who only want to play and sing and do syncronized swimming. They don't have it in their constitution to forcefully remove all the Jews at all. Thus, everything Israel does no matter what is a human rights violation, even if they tell them no we don't want to syncronize swimming. This is a total red herring that has nothing to do with the subject of why Israel acts like it does.

Those have nothing to do with the topic. There is nothing at all related to why Israelis treat Arabs as they do with the issue of the Palestinian charter and their national enemies.

Where was it decided anyway that this was a human rights issue as compared to a regulation and permit issue. You call this "Misbehavior" what Israel is doing, explain why it's misbehavior exactly. Shall anyone live whereever they want without regard to permits and laws and if the "man" says no, then its a human rights issue?

Perhaps your obsession with red herrings is that they get in the way of what you get to call a human rights issue...? You call these "Blatant and outrageous violations", please validate your claim that they are true "violations" or honorably admit your focus and hatred of Jews here.

I already validated my claim that the destruction of the homes of Israelis in Israel without consultation, compensation or access to arbitration is a violation of international law. I've posted links to the wiki on the relevant laws, and a link to a Human Rights Watch report detailing why Israel's policy in the Negev is a violation of these laws.

Would you care to validate your assertion that the destruction of Israeli Bedouin villages has something to do with Hamas' charter?