Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes

[Rakhel]

Ethnic cleansing. When ever it is about moving someone who isn't Jewish, the government is "ethnic cleansing" an area. When they are moving someone is who Jewish, the government is "finally doing something right." There are hundreds of illegal buildings within Israel that the government does this to. The only reason this has reached to attention of the media is because the Bedouin aren't Jewish and people are tired of hearing about the Palestinian.

 

[Alceste]

Ethnic cleansing. When ever it is about moving someone who isn't Jewish, the government is "ethnic cleansing" an area. When they are moving someone is who Jewish, the government is "finally doing something right." There are hundreds of illegal buildings within Israel that the government does this to. The only reason this has reached to attention of the media is because the Bedouin aren't Jewish and people are tired of hearing about the Palestinian.

Rakhel, the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions. That's in the HRW report I linked to if you would care to read it. It's obviously an ethnically targetted campaign against the Bedouins. Even the government acknowledges this, making comments like "we can't allow an Arab majority in the Negev". We call the forcible clearing of one ethnicity from an area to make way for another "ethnic cleansing".

 

[Rakhel]

Oh but they do.
There are numerous occasions where Jews, in both legal and illegal buildings, have been forcibly removed, by the Israeli government to make way for Arabs. But that is not ethnic cleansing(AND I am not speaking of Gaza either).
There are also numerous occasions were non-Jewish illegal buildings have been allowed to stay,
to allow for a non-Jewish presence.

As I said, people are tired of the Palestinian plight. The media(Jewish owned? yeah right!) added the Bedouin hoping to bring it back to the forefront.


BTW, this is not news.

 

[Tamar]

Rakhel, the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions. That's in the HRW report I linked to if you would care to read it. It's obviously an ethnically targetted campaign against the Bedouins. Even the government acknowledges this, making comments like "we can't allow an Arab majority in the Negev". We call the forcible clearing of one ethnicity from an area to make way for another "ethnic cleansing".

Here are links to Jewish settler homes being demolished by Israeli government.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/01/israeli-settlement-west-bank-demolished
Hardline Israeli settlers have called for a "day of rage" on Thursday in protest at the army's demolition of an outpost in the West Bank. Settlers also launched attacks on Palestinian villages and blocked main roads in Jerusalem.

Settler homes near Bat Ayin demolished - JPost - Israel
Settler homes near Bat Ayin demolished.


Six injured after Israeli military demolishes illegal settler home - International Middle East Media Center
Illegal settler home demolished.

Israel Agrees To Demolish Its Settlers' Gaza Homes
All of Jewish settlement of Gaza

 

[Rakhel]

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the only mention of ethnic cleansing that Israeli government is guilty of, according tot his article, is that of Gaza. But, because they were Jews, it doesn't count. Israel will always be guilty. but never of what they do to the Jewish population. Only of what they do to the Arab population.

Here is your cake. I hope you choke on it.

 

[Shermana]

Rakhel, the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions. That's in the HRW report I linked to if you would care to read it. It's obviously an ethnically targetted campaign against the Bedouins. Even the government acknowledges this, making comments like "we can't allow an Arab majority in the Negev". We call the forcible clearing of one ethnicity from an area to make way for another "ethnic cleansing".

Wow, I thought the comment about Native lands not being sacked was ignorant....

Yes, Israel compltely ethnically cleansed the Jews from Gaza. It's okay if the Arabs ask for all the Jews to be removed. Funny how prosperous Gaza was before 2005. Oh well.

And of course, no need to change the Palestinian national charters to make them not want to remove all the Jews.

 

[sadiq]

Rakhel, the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions. That's in the HRW report I linked to if you would care to read it. It's obviously an ethnically targetted campaign against the Bedouins. Even the government acknowledges this, making comments like "we can't allow an Arab majority in the Negev". We call the forcible clearing of one ethnicity from an area to make way for another "ethnic cleansing".

Ughhh i'm afraid they do it to illegal Jewish buildings aswell.

 

[Alceste]

Ughhh i'm afraid they do it to illegal Jewish buildings aswell.

Not according to the HRW report I read. The treatment of Jewish residents in the area is totally different.

 

[Alceste]

Ethnic cleansing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the only mention of ethnic cleansing that Israeli government is guilty of, according tot his article, is that of Gaza. But, because they were Jews, it doesn't count. Israel will always be guilty. but never of what they do to the Jewish population. Only of what they do to the Arab population.

Here is your cake. I hope you choke on it.

Wow, crabby.

Do you have specific criticism of HRW's report on the issue this thread is about, or did you just come in here to vent about your persecution complex?

 

[Rakhel]

Not crabby..horny maybe but not crabby.

 

[Alceste]

Wow, I thought the comment about Native lands not being sacked was ignorant....

Yes, Israel compltely ethnically cleansed the Jews from Gaza. It's okay if the Arabs ask for all the Jews to be removed. Funny how prosperous Gaza was before 2005. Oh well.

And of course, no need to change the Palestinian national charters to make them not want to remove all the Jews.

Don't suppose you're interested in talking about the subject of this thread either.

I don't know what it is about some folks that makes you react as if criticism of Israel is a personal insult, but I think you need to calm down a little and think about whether Israel's treatment of the bedouins in the Negev is right or wrong.

It's OK to criticise your own government. If you want to start a thread about native issues in Canada I'll show you how its done.

 

[Rakhel]

I thought criticism of the Israeli government and it's treatment of the populous was the topic.

My bad

 

[Alceste]

I thought criticism of the Israeli government and it's treatment of the populous was the topic.

My bad

Yes, but the Bedouins in the Negev specifically.

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Israel leaves 200 children in the desert with No food No water and No shelter - YouTube

If the Israeli government is bulldozing entire Jewish villages in Israel with no due process or compensation, I would happily say that's also wrong, but I haven't seen evidence that is occurring.

 

[Rakhel]

you were pointed to it. you chose to ignore it.

 

[Alceste]

Here are links to Jewish settler homes being demolished by Israeli government.

Israeli settlers hit back after army demolishes their West Bank homes | World news | The Guardian
Hardline Israeli settlers have called for a "day of rage" on Thursday in protest at the army's demolition of an outpost in the West Bank. Settlers also launched attacks on Palestinian villages and blocked main roads in Jerusalem.

Settler homes near Bat Ayin demolished - JPost - Israel
Settler homes near Bat Ayin demolished.


Six injured after Israeli military demolishes illegal settler home - International Middle East Media Center
Illegal settler home demolished.

Israel Agrees To Demolish Its Settlers' Gaza Homes
All of Jewish settlement of Gaza

The Jewish settlements in Palestine are not the same, and you know it. This is about Israel's treatment of Israeli citizens belonging to an ethnic minority within the borders of Israel. Nothing to do with the occupied territories.

 

[Alceste]

you were pointed to it. you chose to ignore it.

What, wikipedia's entry on "ethnic cleansing"? lol. No, I'm sorry, I was looking for evidence that Jewish buildings erected inside Israel without a permit are treated exactly the same as Bedouin buildings. The evidence I've provided that this is not the case is quite strong, so your evidence needs to be as good or better.

What did you think of the Human Rights Watch report, by the way? You didn't say.

 

[Tamar]

The Jewish settlements in Palestine are not the same, and you know it. This is about Israel's treatment of Israeli citizens belonging to an ethnic minority within the borders of Israel. Nothing to do with the occupied territories.

You said: the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions.

You did not say anything about where. I responded to your assertion that Israel does not dismantle illegal settlements. It clearly does.

And the Palestinians are not the only minority living in Israel. Why are the other minorities not having the same issues with Israel?

The Christians, Druise, only the Palestinians.

 

[Alceste]

You said: the government does not do this to illegal Jewish constructions.

You did not say anything about where. I responded to your assertion that Israel does not dismantle illegal settlements. It clearly does.

And the Palestinians are not the only minority living in Israel. Why are the other minorities not having the same issues with Israel?

The Christians, Druise, only the Palestinians.

OK. Retroactively append "in Israel" to my post and continue with your rebuttal.

If you have evidence that other, non-Arab minorities living in Israel are receiving different (or similar) treatment, you're welcome to produce it. Otherwise, I don't understand your bold, maroon question.

 

[Rakhel]

it's a one mind set Tamar. there is no reasoning because no matter what we say, it isn't true

 

[Bismillah]

It's also interesting to note the compensation that Jewish Israelis receive side by side with that of the Bedouins.

Linking to what I have posted before http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2569437-post124.html

The amount of money received by Jews in comparison to Bedouins does not compare, it is just one example of the discriminatory policy of the Israeli government.

I also find it hilarious that we are trying to compare sedentary Bedouins who have lived on the same land for centuries with Jews illegally encroaching upon ancestral lands of other Arabs. Only a fool and hypocrite would be blind to the difference.

I highlight the word sedentary because these are not nomads, they have been inhabiting and living in their villages many times before the idea of "Israel" was fermented. It's also completely shocking that reading comprehension is so abysmal to ignore the fact that this is a wide scale cleansing of Bedouins as opposed to minor incidences of Jews in the W.B compared with the exponentially increasing number of Jewish colonists in the West Bank every month.

It's also hilarious that certain members have resorted to some pretty childish name-calling, it's hard to stand by bigotry when confronted with facts I suppose.