Israel Frozen Out

[Justanatheist]

Likely not, but the question is, when would he have broken his agreements? As I said already, the Final Solution was not the first solution. There were prior ones, as presented above. Other "solutions" were needed based on the capabilities and resources available to the Nazi regime at the time. Presumably, if Hitler saw that he was in a position to conquer the world, he would have tried to do that. That's the reason he broke his deals with the Brits and the Russians, because he saw that he was able to. Now, going back to the hypothetical: Jews being deported to one location - not killed, deported. What happens next? Would Hitler have subsequently killed all of them immediately? Probably not, because that could've been accomplished in Europe. So Hitler waits for some time. During this waiting period, any number of key factors may change, turning the table. Really, who knows what would have happened?

Exactly, but we do know that because of British "meddling" the Jewish State was created. Maybe with British "meddling" the Palestinian State will be created.

 

[Harel13]

but we do know

Do we?

 

[Justanatheist]

Do we?

Yes, the British "meddled" in Palestine and the Jewish State was created. That is historical fact. Which are you arguing against that the British "meddled" or the Jewish State was created?

 

[Harel13]

Yes, the British "meddled" in Palestine and the Jewish State was created. That is historical fact. Which are you arguing against that the British "meddled" or the Jewish State was created?

That the state was created due to British meddling. I would say that it's more despite the meddling.
But I do humbly sweep my kippah for you guys choosing to abstain from the vote.

 

[Justanatheist]

That the state was created due to British meddling. I would say that it's more despite the meddling.
But I do humbly sweep my kippah for you guys choosing to abstain from the vote.

What vote?

 

[Harel13]

What vote?

https://knesset.gov.il/holidays/eng/29nov_e.htm

 

[Justanatheist]

That the state was created due to British meddling. I would say that it's more despite the meddling.

Here is the timeline.

1917 Ottoman rule of Palestine ended by Arab and British Forces.
1917 Balfour Declaration.
1922 British Mandate for Palestine begins.
1948 Britain ends Mandate.
1948 Israel created.

So unless you can dispute those facts British "meddling" was a key factor in creating Israel.

 

[RestlessSoul]

And also if Chamberlain hadn't handed a piece of Europe to Hitler.

Or if Archduke Ferdinand's driver had turned a different corner in Sarajevo in June 2014.

Not sure what bearing any of that has on illegal settlements though.

 

[Justanatheist]

https://knesset.gov.il/holidays/eng/29nov_e.htm

The General Assembly is not a legally binding vote, it did not create Israel. So thanks for the thanks but it was completely irrelevant.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Check for a car bomb.
Or do you even use cars?
I watch lots'o British shows wherein you guys bicycle a lot.
Are there bicycle bombs?

It's the poisoned umbrella tips you have to be on your guard against.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That is a racist remark, do you not accept anyone who is not a Celt as not indigenous to our country?

There is no known existing races indigenous to the british isles.
We were re-colonised step by step after the last Ice age.

Up to the flooding of Doggerland and the formation of the English Channel some 6000+ years ago
The land was occupied by the same tribes as could be found over all the continent of Europe
Since then there has been a continuous stream of incoming tribes
Each in turn vying for control.

 

[Harel13]

Here is the timeline.

1917 Ottoman rule of Palestine ended by Arab and British Forces.
1917 Balfour Declaration.
1922 British Mandate for Palestine begins.
1948 Britain ends Mandate.
1948 Israel created.

So unless you can dispute those facts British "meddling" was a key factor in creating Israel.

You forgot these:
Period 7-1-1: Britain's Promises to Arabs and Jews
1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia
Palestine - The Arab Revolt
White Paper of 1939 - Wikipedia

 

[Harel13]

Or if Archduke Ferdinand's driver had turned a different corner in Sarajevo in June 2014.

Not sure what bearing any of that has on illegal settlements though.

You're kind of stepping right in the middle of a debate, here. Did you read everything?

 

[RestlessSoul]

You're kind of stepping right in the middle of a debate, here. Did you read everything?

No, I didn't read everything. Very few people have; it's not really possible in this century.

There are some subjects it is wise for a Brit to avoid debating, Palestine and Northern Ireland being right up there at the head of the list. So I'll step right out of this one now.

 

[Harel13]

The General Assembly is not a legally binding vote, it did not create Israel.

This song comes to mind:

The words come from the verse:
"And now, I assign to you one portion more than to your brothers, which I wrested from the Amorites with my sword and bow." (Gen. 48:22) (makes more sense in Hebrew).

But now I'm confused. How was Israel created?

 

[Justanatheist]

You forgot these:
Period 7-1-1: Britain's Promises to Arabs and Jews
1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia
Palestine - The Arab Revolt
White Paper of 1939 - Wikipedia

Thank you more evidence to add to my case, I am glad you are not trying to show that anything I wrote did not happen. The British "meddled" in Palestine and that led to the Jewish State being created. Any more evidence to back up my argument?

 

[Rival]

No, I didn't read everything. Very few people have; it's not really possible in this century.

There are some subjects it is wise for a Brit to avoid debating, Palestine and Northern Ireland being right up there at the head of the list. So I'll step right out of this one now.

British history, like all, has good and bad moments.

I think the Israel creation debacle was not a great moment.

 

[Justanatheist]

This song comes to mind:

The words come from the verse:
"And now, I assign to you one portion more than to your brothers, which I wrested from the Amorites with my sword and bow." (Gen. 48:22) (makes more sense in Hebrew).

But now I'm confused. How was Israel created?

The State of Israel was created, there was no state then there was a state.

 

[Harel13]

Thank you more evidence to add to my case, I am glad you are not trying to show that anything I wrote did not happen. The British "meddled" in Palestine and that led to the Jewish State being created. Any more evidence to back up my argument?

I'm staying with "the British meddled and despite that Israel was created". Cheerio.

 

[Justanatheist]

I'm staying with "the British meddled and despite that Israel was created". Cheerio.

OK, if you wish to say a square is round you do that.